# Stupid Republican idea of the day

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42229 "2019-09-27T13:05:43Z")

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> [@mhendo](#):
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> This is shitty, and I feel terribly for the girl.
> 
> But how the fuck does this qualify as a stupid Republican idea? I don’t care if Karen Pence teaches there, this is basically a story about kids being bullies, which happens everywhere.
> 
> Was race a factor? Possibly? Probably? Certainly? Still doesn’t belong in this thread.

> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> YMMV

Honestly, I agree. This is hardly different from Clothahump posting about (probably fictitious[sup]\*[/sup]) randos.

- Holy crap! I spelt that correctly on the first try!

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42230 "2019-09-27T14:18:00Z")

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> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> YMMV

It’s not “mileage” that varies here, it’s reason and logic and consideration of the facts. It’s precisely this sort of blowing things out of proportion that makes so many Republicans such idiots. Try not to be like them.

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**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42231 "2019-09-27T14:38:55Z")

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IMO Rick Kitchen post a LOT of really good ones, and gets it right most of the time. I’ll accept a few stinkers without having to get angry about it. Hell, he even date stamps his cites now due to past criticism of posting old stuff. Rick, if you were a baseball player you’re batting average would be the envy of the league!

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42232 "2019-09-27T14:44:18Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> It’s well past noon in Virginia now. Have they apologized? If not, has Sen. Chase revealed their name?
> 
> ETA: A quick google says no and no.

I wanted to follow up on this; Senator Chase did indeed name the company involved AND she provided an audio recording of a telephone conversation she had with them. They still deny her version of events, however.

> [@](#):
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> Chase said her campaign never approved that language, something the digital media firm that placed the ad disputes. She said she spent the weekend talking with officials from the Prosper Group, asking them to issue an apology and claim responsibility for the message.
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> She recorded at least one of those conversations. In it, a senior Prosper Group employee concedes that the campaign never signed off on the final version of the ad. Chase warned the firm that she would release the recording if the apology was not issued by noon Monday.
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> The firm rebuffed her request, and Chase provided the six-minute recording to The Washington Post.
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> R. Scott Kline, a senior strategist with the Prosper Group, says in the call that the firm violated “normal protocol” when it failed to provide the campaign with a final version of the ad before posting it on Facebook last week.
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> “The ad did not go to you,” Kline says in the recording. “That’s just clear as day here. . . . You approved the original ad. . . . We thought you were approving the revised ad, which you obviously did not get. I would absolutely agree with you that the ball was dropped on that. I’m not trying to sugarcoat that. I’m not trying to make excuses for it. That happened.”
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> In a statement, the Prosper Group said the campaign had signed off on “shoot down” language for the “website landing page” that accompanies the ad, where supporters can sign a petition. The firm said Kline did not know all the facts when he spoke to Chase.
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> “The Prosper Group terminated its relationship with Virginia State Senator Amanda Chase (R-11) as of Sunday, September 22nd,” the company said in an email. “Unfortunately, State Senator Chase is misrepresenting the facts and refused to take ownership for language she approved, and by recording our staff without their knowledge, acted in bad faith.”

> **[Va. senator says she never approved ad vowing to ‘shoot down’ anti-gun groups](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-senator-says-she-never-okd-ad-vowing-to-shoot-down-anti-gun-groups/2019/09/23/bb0d1ffe-de1d-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html)**
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> Sen. Amanda Chase says a recording backs up her claim that an ad firm botched the message.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42233 "2019-09-27T15:03:04Z")

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How can they deny an audio recording of the call?

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42234 "2019-09-27T15:09:52Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> How can they deny an audio recording of the call?

Not many people are aware of all the things Photoshop can do.

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**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42235 "2019-09-27T15:13:44Z")

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> [@bobot](#):
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> Greta Thunberg is certainly getting a fine introduction to the American right wing. I bet she has received exactly zero such welcomes anywhere else in the world.

Apparently, there are Repugnican-analogues in Australia. Fortunately for them, [help is available](https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1177206650979135488)! 😃

Background from HuffPo: [Greta Thunberg Really Likes This Joke Hotline Adults Can Call If They Hate Her | HuffPost Entertainment](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/great-thunberg-joke-hotline_n_5d8cdb4de4b0019647a4e59c)

[brief PM hijack] Hey, **bobot** , izzat PKD behind the psychedelic-swirl colors in your avatar? Tough to tell at 50 x 50 pixels.[/PM hijack]

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**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42236 "2019-09-27T15:18:49Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> How can they deny an audio recording of the call?

Like this: “Yeah, we told the Angry Customer we screwed up, even though we didn’t. What else can you do in that situation? Had no idea she was gonna record our line of happy horseshit and throw us under the bus like that.”

Also like this, which they actually did:

> [@](#):
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> The firm said Kline did not know all the facts when he spoke to Chase.

Is any of that true? Who knows.

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**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42237 "2019-09-27T15:19:08Z")

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That’s a fella named Jorma Kaukonen. (Hot Tuna, Jefferson Airplane.)

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**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42238 "2019-09-27T15:30:57Z")

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Ah, thx. I’ll not bother trying to dig up the scene in _A Serious Man_ where he gets name-checked … "Jorma … somet’ing … " 😉

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42239 "2019-09-27T15:41:09Z")

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> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> A black girl at the school where Karen Pence teaches was attacked by sixth grade boys who cut off her dreadlocks because they were ugly.  
> [Sixth-Grade Girl Apologizes for Falsely Claiming Boys Attacked Her and Cut Off Her Dreadlocks](https://www.thedailybeast.com/sixth-grade-boys-allegedly-attack-cut-girls-ugly-dreadlocks-at-immanuel-christian-school)

> [@(emphasis added)](#):
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> “One of the boys put his hand over my mouth so I wouldn’t scream while they used scissors on my hair,” she recalled to The Daily Beast on Thursday. "They were all laughing, calling me ugly, and saying I should have never been born…  
> …  
> Amari’s mom explained that this was not the first time her daughter had been subjected to bullying by these three classmates. _ **Throughout the school year, the boys have allegedly been “taking her lunch every single day and calling her names.”** _
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> “My concern is, how did they not see what was taking place, on the playground and all year,” Allen said. “Karen Pence, the vice president’s wife, works at the school. There is security and secret service everywhere. How did they not know!”

> [@mhendo](#):
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> But how the fuck does this qualify as a stupid Republican idea? I don’t care if Karen Pence teaches there, this is basically a story about kids being bullies, which happens everywhere.

😕 Wrong. This was a “Christian” school. No, not the Christianity espoused in the Gospels and which many moderate and progressive Americans seek to follow. No, this was a “Christian” school endorsed by hateful right-wing vermin like the Pences, modern American “Christians” who see Jesus as their path to material wealth in this world…

The article claimed that the girl had been bullied all year and that Karen Pence and her team of eyes presumably witnessed it. Yet Pence was fine with it all. Do we need to produce a party registration card (copy ok, or will you need the original long form?) to prove that the Pences are Republioscum?

Perhaps **mhendo** objects to calling this a _stupid_ Republican idea. We might have separate threads for _malicious_ Republican idea, _hypocritical_ Republican idea, _hateful_ Republican idea — should **Mr. Kitchen** have posted in one of those? Is that what the complaints are about?

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42240 "2019-09-27T16:32:15Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> 😕 Wrong. This was a “Christian” school. No, not the Christianity espoused in the Gospels and which many moderate and progressive Americans seek to follow. No, this was a “Christian” school endorsed by hateful right-wing vermin like the Pences, modern American “Christians” who see Jesus as their path to material wealth in this world…
> 
> The article claimed that the girl had been bullied all year and that Karen Pence and her team of eyes presumably witnessed it. Yet Pence was fine with it all. Do we need to produce a party registration card (copy ok, or will you need the original long form?) to prove that the Pences are Republioscum?
> 
> Perhaps **mhendo** objects to calling this a _stupid_ Republican idea. We might have separate threads for _malicious_ Republican idea, _hypocritical_ Republican idea, _hateful_ Republican idea — should **Mr. Kitchen** have posted in one of those? Is that what the complaints are about?

I like Rick Kitchen’s posts.

When posting on this board (or anywhere else), one cannot make the assumption that one’s point is going to be crystal clear. In fact, it’s best to assume you are going to be MISunderstood and make sure you quote or cite the phrase from the linked source that MAKES YOUR POINT. Assume that people are NOT going to follow the link or watch the video and TELL them right out what it is you want them to get from the source.

I usually overkill on this by posting an edited version of the whole article. I’m assuming most people aren’t reading the whole of those either, but I know the smart people are (you know who you are and so do I 😉 ).

\*\*Rick \*\*could have quoted the Karen Pence connection to show exactly WHY he was citing this event, or \*\*mhendo \*\*could have read the whole article and found the Karen Pence connection on his own instead of leaving it to **septimus**.

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42241 "2019-09-27T16:45:46Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> The article claimed that the girl had been bullied all year and that Karen Pence and her team of eyes presumably witnessed it. Yet Pence was fine with it all. Do we need to produce a party registration card (copy ok, or will you need the original long form?) to prove that the Pences are Republioscum?

This is fucking idiotic.

Look at the first sentence of your paragraph: “The article _ **claimed** _ that the girl had been bullied all year and that Karen Pence and her team of eyes _ **presumably** _ witnessed it.”

That’s some real definitive proof right there! We have no evidence whatsoever that Karen Pence or any of her “team” knew what was going on here. If you know anything about bullies, you should know that one thing they’re often very good at is hiding their bullying from the eyes of witnesses, especially teachers and other authority figures.

I understand that the girl’s mother in upset about this. She has every right to be. But despite her claims that Pence and her security detail must have known it was going on, it is entirely plausible, in my opinion, that they had no fucking idea. There are 410 students in the school, and I doubt Karen Pence knows who they all are, or keeps an eye on the playground at recess. And I’ll bet her Secret Service detail spends its time watching her immediate surroundings, not monitoring all the interactions between the students.

I can’t stand Karen Pence or her husband. If you want to criticize her for teaching at a Christian school that opposes LGBTQ rights, I’ll be right there with you. There are probably a hundred things that Karen Pence believes and does that are symptomatic of particular types of right-wing Christian intolerance and bigotry, and this type of thing is certainly an important part of Republican ideology.

But that doesn’t mean that Pence is responsible for this incident of bullying. Hell, it doesn’t even mean that the school itself is responsible The school has openly condemned the attack, and stated that it violates the school’s principles. According to [this site](https://www.niche.com/k12/immanuel-christian-school-springfield-va/), the school’s population is 14.4% African American, meaning that it has a larger percentage of African Americans than the nation as a whole, and making it more racially integrated than a significant percentage of American public schools.

And if the school itself is such a haven of bigotry and intolerance, then why the fuck does this woman have her daughter there in the first place? Presumably, she knew about the school’s values before she signed her kid up.

> [@septimus](#):
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> Perhaps **mhendo** objects to calling this a _stupid_ Republican idea. We might have separate threads for _malicious_ Republican idea, _hypocritical_ Republican idea, _hateful_ Republican idea — should **Mr. Kitchen** have posted in one of those? Is that what the complaints are about?

No, I’m simply arguing that one case of racist bullying by a few tweens is not, by itself, an example of a Republican idea, whether stupid or malicious or hypocritical or hateful. I’ll bet you can find examples of similar bullying in public schools all over America, even ones that go out of their way to promote values like diversity and inclusion.

> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> I like Rick Kitchen’s posts.

Of source you do, because you post even more overblown hysterical bullshit than he does, and spend half your life obsessing about “thump.”

> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> \*\*Rick \*\*could have quoted the Karen Pence connection to show exactly WHY he was citing this event, or \*\*mhendo \*\*could have read the whole article and found the Karen Pence connection on his own instead of leaving it to **septimus**.

I knew the Karen Pence connection. My argument is not that there is no connection between Karen Pence and the school; my argument is that one act of children’s bullying is not an example of a Republican idea, whether or not Karen Pence teaches at the school.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42242 "2019-09-27T16:46:56Z")

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In the world today, the White House, in a move which has sent markets tumbling in the last hour, are [weighing measures to limit American investment in China](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-27/white-house-weighs-limits-on-u-s-portfolio-flows-into-china-k12ahk4g?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=politics&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-politics&utm_medium=social).

> [@](#):
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> Trump administration officials are discussing ways to limit U.S. investors’ portfolio flows into China in a move that would have repercussions for billions of dollars in investment pegged to major indexes, according to people familiar with the internal deliberations.
> 
> The discussions are occurring as Washington and Beijing negotiate a potential truce in their trade war that’s rattled the world’s two biggest economies and investors for more than a year. They also come as China is removing limits on foreign investment in its financial markets. A U.S. crackdown on capital flows would therefore expose a new pressure point in the economic dispute and cause disruption well beyond the hundreds of billions in tariffs the two sides have levied against each other.
> 
> Among the options the Trump administration is considering: delisting Chinese companies from U.S. stock exchanges and limiting Americans’ exposure to the Chinese market through government pension funds. Exact mechanisms for how to do so have not yet been worked out and any plan is subject to approval by President Donald Trump, who has given the green light to the discussion, according to one person close to the deliberations.

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**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42243 "2019-09-28T15:07:45Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> 😕 Wrong. This was a “Christian” school. No, not the Christianity espoused in the Gospels and which many moderate and progressive Americans seek to follow. No, this was a “Christian” school endorsed by hateful right-wing vermin like the Pences, modern American “Christians” who see Jesus as their path to material wealth in this world.

You misspelled [Jeezus](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/77/1d/7a771db9750ab31b14318366b49bff94.jpg).

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42244 "2019-09-29T01:24:48Z")

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Republican Congressional campaign committee mocks Democratic Congressman for getting marriage counseling.

> **[Democratic lawmaker fires back after NRCC mocks him for getting marriage...](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/463413-democratic-lawmaker-fires-back-after-nrcc-mocks-him-and-wife-for-going-to/)**
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> Rep. Joe Cunningham (D-S.C.) on Friday fired back after House Republicans’ campaign arm mocked him and his wife over their marriage counseling, saying the group should give respecting women &#…

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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42245 "2019-09-29T02:06:53Z")

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nm

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42246 "2019-09-30T12:20:27Z")

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**[Ads for “Trumpcare,” which doesn’t exist, are everywhere](https://www.axios.com/trumpcare-health-plans-short-term-coverage-406011c3-2a02-434c-8fc1-12b50dabce23.html)**

> [@](#):
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> Do a quick search for health insurance, and you’ll find plenty of ads for “Trumpcare” plans that cost $59 or less per month. But there’s a catch: Trumpcare doesn’t exist, and many of these advertised plans offer bare-bones coverage.  
> …
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> After seeing Trumpcare ads in search engines, I submitted contact information to get quotes about coverage options. Over the the next week, I was bombarded with 70 phone calls and 12 texts from insurance brokers.
> 
> ```
> [ul]
> 
> ```
> 
> [li] **Every broker I spoke to admitted there is no such thing as Trumpcare** , and that it is a marketing ploy from the lead generator site.[/li][li] When I asked how I could get the plan that was advertised for $59 or less per month, brokers said the ads were in reference to short-term plans or fixed indemnity plans that offer little to no coverage for serious illness or injury.[/li][/ul]  
> What they’re saying: “These websites that are selling ‘Trumpcare’ are capitalizing on the fact that very few people know what’s going on,” said Louise Norris, an independent insurance broker in Colorado.  
> …
> 
> The other side: Jeff Smedsrud, co-founder of [HealthCare.com](http://HealthCare.com), a site that has advertised “Trumpcare” plans, said he didn’t think it was misleading to use that framing for plans that are sold through its brokers.
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> ```
> [ul]
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> ```
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> [li]“Could it lead to confusion? I don’t think it has. Anything is possible,” he said. “I’ll certainly look at what we do. I may have our team change our mind on that.”[/li][/ul]  
> …

My bold.

_Caveat emptor_, indeed. :dubious:

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**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42247 "2019-09-30T13:09:14Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> \*\*[Ads for “Trumpcare,” which doesn’t exist, are everywhere](https://www.axios.com/trumpcare-health-plans-short-term-coverage-406011c3-2a02-434c-8fc1-12b50dabce23.html)\*\*My bold.
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> _Caveat emptor_, indeed. :dubious:

Well, about 63 million people identified themselves as potential targets of the ruse. Can’t hardly blame these shysters for seeing a market full of stupid.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42248 "2019-09-30T16:36:14Z")

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> [@Red\_Wiggler](#):
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> Well, about 63 million people identified themselves as potential targets of the ruse. Can’t hardly blame these shysters for seeing a market full of stupid.

That is certainly true. No argument there.

But consider this: the idea that people are seeing something called “Trumpcare” being advertised is giving the false impression that Former President Trump\* has actually followed through on his promise _choke_ to offer something to replace Obamacare. Even people who have good health insurance through their employers will see those ads and assume there IS something called Trumpcare.

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