# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2120
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42389 "2019-10-10T09:15:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Lindsey Graham wants Senate Republicans to sign a pledge not to vote for convicting Individual 1 during impeachment. > [Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment 'is about to destroy this nation' - Raw Story](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/lindsey-graham-demands-gopers-sign-trump-loyalty-oath-because-impeachment-is-about-to-destroy-this-nation) What he needs is more loyalty oaths. The important thing is to keep them pledging ! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42390 "2019-10-10T10:27:08Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Lindsey Graham wants Senate Republicans to sign a pledge not to vote for convicting Individual 1 during impeachment. > [Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment 'is about to destroy this nation' - Raw Story](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/lindsey-graham-demands-gopers-sign-trump-loyalty-oath-because-impeachment-is-about-to-destroy-this-nation) > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So he’s asking the Senate - the body that sits in judgement - to pre-emptively judge the case before the investigation by the House has even started. In the criminal court system, wouldn’t this constitute jury tampering? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42391 "2019-10-10T12:01:09Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > In the criminal court system, wouldn’t this constitute jury tampering? It would, although the two instances are insufficiently analogous to contend any legal issues with what Graham is doing. Sure, Graham is basically asking the Republicans to agree that there is no crime, corruption or treason that they will not excuse and cover up if committed by one of their own regardless of the evidence presented, but that’s hardly news to those of us who have been paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42392 "2019-10-10T12:35:46Z")
Did any of you actually read the story and look at the quotes? None of what you are saying is what Sen Graham is proposing. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42393 "2019-10-10T14:09:51Z")
The article linked above had the misleading title “Lindsey Graham demands GOPers sign Trump loyalty oath because impeachment ‘is about to destroy this nation’.” > [@Slash1972](#): > > Did any of you actually read the story and look at the quotes? None of what you are saying is what Sen Graham is proposing. Apparently nobody clicked except Mr. Kitchen (maybe!), Mr. Manson and, only after Manson’s urging, me. Normally I wouldn’t want to soil my eyes with Graham’s excreta — he’s a disgrace among Senate Republicans, a very low bar — but his turd was much more limited in its stench than Mr. Kitchen implies: > [@Lindsey Graham](#): > > I’m going to ask my colleagues in the Senate — Republicans — to sign a letter saying we do not believe the transcript of the phone call between the president and the Ukraine is an impeachable offense. Several lessons: (1) PLEASE let’s not exaggerate Republican lies, crimes and treasons. If we have to exaggerate (or lie) to wake Americans up, then we’ve fallen to the level of the traitors subverting our democracy. (2) Many news items can be summarized with a brief excerpt as I’ve done above. If it’s worth posting, it’s worth quoting an excerpt. (3) Dopers generally do NOT click links. Many even get bitter: “I’m supposed to click a YouTube without you first providing a transcript? Bah!” From MUCH experience I can say it sucks when Dopers attack the messenger without clicking his links, but that’s life. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42394 "2019-10-10T14:11:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Did any of you actually read the story and look at the quotes? None of what you are saying is what Sen Graham is proposing. He is asking them to state their views on Trump’s guilt in advance of a hypothetical impeachment trial. How, exactly, would you frame that request in a more flattering light? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42395 "2019-10-10T14:30:11Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Did any of you actually read the story and look at the quotes? None of what you are saying is what Sen Graham is proposing. So I said: > [@](#): > > So he’s asking the Senate - the body that sits in judgement - to pre-emptively judge the case before the investigation by the House has even started. Before any of the evidence has been collected, and in fact, while the Whitehouse is refusing to provide any of the requested evidence. How am I wrong here? Is he not asking his Republican colleagues to pre-judge the issue before evidence is presented? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42396 "2019-10-10T16:31:57Z")
Not sure which thread [this one](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-10-2019/h_2a2e96104354188ef2bed3659a231830) goes in – I’ll go with the generic “Republican” one since the tie to Criminal One is tangential (at least compared to a lot of other stuff into which his tiny fingers are immersed up to the wrists): > [@](#): > > Two associates of President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani pushed a GOP congressman to seek the ouster of the US ambassador to Ukraine at the same time as the associates were helping to bankroll the congressman’s campaign, according to a federal indictment and campaign finance records. > > The indictment of Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, which was unsealed today, shows how they discussed with former Rep. Pete Sessions of Texas to seek Marie Yovanovitch’s ouster. Both were later accused of lying to investigators about illegal campaign contributions they made to Sessions… ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42397 "2019-10-10T16:47:16Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He is asking them to state their views on Trump’s guilt in advance of a hypothetical impeachment trial. How, exactly, would you frame that request in a more flattering light? > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > How am I wrong here? Is he not asking his Republican colleagues to pre-judge the issue before evidence is presented? It reads to me that he is asking them to sign on to the opinion that the Ukraine phone call is not an impeachable offense. He’s not talking about any other evidence, or Trump’s guilt. It’s definitely not “Lindsey Graham wants Senate Republicans to sign a pledge not to vote for convicting Individual 1 during impeachment” ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42398 "2019-10-10T16:56:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > It’s definitely not “Lindsey Graham wants Senate Republicans to sign a pledge not to vote for convicting Individual 1 during impeachment” And speaking of Lindsey Graham, the old trope of Republican hypocrisy rears its ugly head: > [@Lindsey Graham](#): > > [You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lindsey-graham-crime-impeach/) and if that wasn’t enough > [@Lindsey Graham](#): > > [A president who doesn’t comply with Congressional requests for information is subject to impeachment.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/10/perfect-argument-against-trump-comes-lindsey-graham/) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42399 "2019-10-10T16:56:10Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > It reads to me that he is asking them to sign on to the opinion that the Ukraine phone call is not an impeachable offense. He’s not talking about any other evidence, or Trump’s guilt. > > It’s definitely not “Lindsey Graham wants Senate Republicans to sign a pledge not to vote for convicting Individual 1 during impeachment” Well, in my opinion, it’s walking a pretty fine fucking line. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42400 "2019-10-10T16:57:44Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Well, in my opinion, it’s walking a pretty fine fucking line. Fair enough. I’m cool with that. ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42401 "2019-10-10T17:07:43Z")
> [@Running\_with\_Scissors](#): > > And speaking of Lindsey Graham, the old trope of Republican hypocrisy rears its ugly head: Oops, apologies to **BigAppleBucky** , he [actually posted the second quote in late May](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21664336&highlight=graham#post21664336). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42402 "2019-10-10T20:52:23Z")
One of Rudy’s indicted Ukraine pals gave thousands of dollars to Kevin McCarthy and Pete Sessions. > **[REVEALED: Rudy Giuliani's indicted Ukraine henchman gave thousands to Kevin...](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/revealed-rudy-giulianis-indicted-ukraine-henchman-gave-thousands-to-kevin-mccarthy/)** > > Lev Parnas, the foreign-born businessman who was indicted this week on campaign-finance charges, donated thousands of dollars last year to House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).As flagged by New York Daily News reporter Michael McAuliff, Parnas... ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42403 "2019-10-11T03:06:46Z")
First let me state some of my opinions: Lindsey Graham should be waterboarded and sent to prison for life. Likewise Trump. The Ukraine phone call is clear evidence IMO of felony and treason. HOWEVER: > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Well, in my opinion, it’s walking a pretty fine fucking line. Trump has committed 143 impeachable offenses by my count, that we know about. For many of them we don’t yet have details, evidence, legal opinions. Trump committed one (1) offense that is in the news lately, and which was the only offense Graham referred to. That offense is as clear as a freshly-washed window. Trump has even released an official summary of the call. It’s easy to form an opinion about the guilt on that crime. Yet we hear the claim “I ask Republicans to acquit of all 143 charges even though we’ve not heard the evidence, AND acquit of whatever untold crimes may come to light” is almost the same as “I ask Republicans to agree that the Ukrainian call, whose contents are rather well known, was not an impeachable offense.” Ooo-kayyy [walks away slowly] ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42404 "2019-10-11T03:27:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > HOWEVER: … Paraphrasing Graham’s ugly statement to be a _completely different_ ugly statement is exactly the sort of thing for which _we call out the Party of Lies, Greed and Hatred in this very thread._ Come on. We’re better than them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42405 "2019-10-11T03:46:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > One of Rudy’s indicted Ukraine pals gave thousands of dollars to Kevin McCarthy and Pete Sessions. > [REVEALED: Rudy Giuliani's indicted Ukraine henchman gave thousands to Kevin McCarthy - Raw Story](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/revealed-rudy-giulianis-indicted-ukraine-henchman-gave-thousands-to-kevin-mccarthy) You know, this is exactly why I think it is going to be so hard for the Republican Party to turn on Trump in any real way. Including Moscow Mitch and the rest of the crew. They are all IN IT UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS. If Trump goes down, they know he will take the whole house of cards down with him. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42406 "2019-10-11T03:50:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > “I ask Republicans to agree that the Ukrainian call, whose contents are rather well known, was not an impeachable offense.” For Shithead Graham, the very next step will be: “And therefore, Trump is completely innocent and all lines of investigation into anything whatsoever should be stopped. WITCH HUNT!!” It’s disingeneous shit on the part of Graham, and I call it out as such. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42407 "2019-10-11T11:50:52Z")
> [@Anonymous\_cd758cf7c5cdb719fd22cd084b5ab09e](#): > > For Shithead Graham, the very next step will be: > > “And therefore, Trump is completely innocent and all lines of investigation into anything whatsoever should be stopped. WITCH HUNT!!” > > It’s disingeneous shit on the part of Graham, and I call it out as such. Lindsey Graham is a shithead? Definitely. Disingenuous? Absolutely. Utters plenty of shit-speech that should be condemned? You betcha. _ **So why do we need to invent something he MIGHT say in the future and condemn that?** _ :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/42408 "2019-10-11T15:52:08Z")
[https://www.foxnews.com/sports/atlanta-braves-tomahawk-chop-georgia-republicans-nlds](https://www.foxnews.com/sports/atlanta-braves-tomahawk-chop-georgia-republicans-nlds) “Some Georgia Republicans blamed the Atlanta Braves’ blowout loss to the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 5 of the National League Division Series on the club nixing giving away foam tomahawks to fans.” Or maybe the Braves just weren’t good enough? I wonder why they lost last year. Or the year before that. Or the year before that. Or the… (BTW, it’s Fox News, so the comments are priceless.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=2119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=2121)