# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 489
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9761 "2013-06-09T22:00:15Z")
Dunno if this is new, or goes back to the 1930’s – or to the 1030’s – but it is not uncommon, nowadays, to hear Bible Radio preachers deny that the Biblical God is the same as Islam’s Allah. Creating Adam and Eve, sending the flood to Noah, talking to Abraham, talking to Moses – he sure sounds like the same guy. But the anti-Islam fervor has led to this strange new (?) revisionism. ETA: it’s like asking of Downey’s Sherlock Holmes is “the same” as Rathbone’s Sherlock Holmes. Yes and no? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9762 "2013-06-09T22:28:37Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Dunno if this is new, or goes back to the 1930’s – or to the 1030’s – but it is not uncommon, nowadays, to hear Bible Radio preachers deny that the Biblical God is the same as Islam’s Allah. Yes, they are incredibly ignorant. I remember Jerry Falwell saying that Muhammad was a terrorist, while Moses was a man of peace, proving that he was ignorant of significant portions of the Pentateuch. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9763 "2013-06-10T01:47:06Z")
I guess he never read Thomas Jefferson’s [autobiography](http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html), in which he explains that the Virgina Statute of Religious Freedom (a precursor to the First Amendment) “meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.” ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9764 "2013-06-10T01:58:00Z")
Just because the Internet is awesome, I have to add this [link](http://memory.loc.gov/master/mss/mtj/mtj1/052/0500/0538.jpg) to Jefferson’s words in his own handwriting. It’s the last sentence on that page, and makes it pretty hard to argue that Jefferson wasn’t including Islam and Hindu when he referred to freedom of religion. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9765 "2013-06-10T02:04:28Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > I guess he never read Thomas Jefferson’s [autobiography](http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html) Well, naturally not. Why would you expect a politician in Roanoke County, Virginia even to have heard of Thomas Jeff— um… never mind. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9766 "2013-06-10T05:01:22Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Dunno if this is new, or goes back to the 1930’s – or to the 1030’s – but it is not uncommon, nowadays, to hear Bible Radio preachers deny that the Biblical God is the same as Islam’s Allah. > > Creating Adam and Eve, sending the flood to Noah, talking to Abraham, talking to Moses – he sure sounds like the same guy. But the anti-Islam fervor has led to this strange new (?) revisionism. > > ETA: it’s like asking of Downey’s Sherlock Holmes is “the same” as Rathbone’s Sherlock Holmes. Yes and no? There is a [Chick tract](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySYcB6cM5UA) claiming that Muslims worship the “moon God” so it’s not a super new idea for fundamentalist Christians. I talked to a friend of mine who is a youth pastor who claimed that the god of Islam couldn’t be the Christian God because…and it was so stupid and illogical I can’t even remember the reason. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9767 "2013-06-10T05:17:04Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > I guess he never read Thomas Jefferson’s [autobiography](http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html), in which he explains that the Virgina Statute of Religious Freedom (a precursor to the First Amendment) “meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination.” [digression] Cyrus the Great, the devout Zoroastrian who restored Temple and Homeland to the Jews after their Captivity in Babylon, was [selected as “Greatest National Leader ever” in a SDMB contest](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=563867). Cyrus wrote his own laws of religious freedom \*which are known to have been a major inspiration to Jefferson. \*[/digression] What does this have to do with stupid Republicans? To remind us of their brazen arrogance in claiming men like Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt — men who would vomit in disgust to see today’s “politics.” ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9768 "2013-06-10T14:27:56Z")
> [@bup](#): > > It’s kind of Republican-special that he doesn’t know the god of Islam _is_ the god of the Bible - the god of Abraham. Half of them don’t know it, but the other half have a standard denial story for that too. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9769 "2013-06-10T22:29:03Z")
> [@bup](#): > > It’s kind of Republican-special that he doesn’t know the god of Islam _is_ the god of the Bible - the god of Abraham. Counting all the nutty offshoots of Yahweh as the same is an interesting tact. I mean, yeah, the same up until all the retcons and fan wanking! Kinda important, no? Otherwise they’d all be Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9770 "2013-06-10T22:29:55Z")
Posting it here because there’s not a “Proof that republicans are all evil of the day” thread: [http://www.tennessean.com/comments/article/20130605/NEWS21/306050155/Muslim-group-s-TN-forum-feds-disrupted-by-heckling](http://www.tennessean.com/comments/article/20130605/NEWS21/306050155/Muslim-group-s-TN-forum-feds-disrupted-by-heckling) > **[Outreach Meeting In Tenn. Clouded By Anti-Muslim Uproar](https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=190453539)** > > The small town of Manchester, Tenn., is trying to figure out what happened this past week. Hundreds of activists heckled a U.S. Attorney who was making a speech on hate crimes and cheered as Muslims described the firebombing of a nearby mosque. The... In short: Meeting held to talk about Muslims in the US, republican protestors show up, claiming they care about “free speech” and how hate crimes oppress the poor, dear little christians. They then fucking CHEER AND APPLAUD when one of the presenters mentions a mosque that was burned down by an arsonist. Fucking monsters, every single fucking one of them. I guess christians and republicans think “Free speech” means “The right to murder others”. ---
**Author:** ![redtail23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3e96dc/32.png) [@redtail23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/redtail23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9771 "2013-06-10T23:08:01Z")
I have to point out that I know many fundies (who are also Republicans) who essentially deny that Thomas Jefferson is a Founding Father, because they don’t like his political and/or religious philosophies. No, seriously. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9772 "2013-06-10T23:09:47Z")
Free Speech in republican strictly means right to be Christian and encourage a Christian Theocracy, no more no less. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9773 "2013-06-11T01:12:37Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Counting all the nutty offshoots of Yahweh as the same is an interesting tact. Do you mean _tack_? That the Christian god is the God of Abraham - the god of the Jews - is pretty important. Otherwise Jesus could not have been the Messiah that fulfilled the prophecies. Moslems, too - what fanwanking is there? The Q’uran itself says it’s the god of Abraham and that the people of the book have the correct and only god. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9774 "2013-06-11T04:12:56Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > Posting it here because there’s not a “Proof that republicans are all evil of the day” thread: > > [http://www.tennessean.com/comments/article/20130605/NEWS21/306050155/Muslim-group-s-TN-forum-feds-disrupted-by-heckling](http://www.tennessean.com/comments/article/20130605/NEWS21/306050155/Muslim-group-s-TN-forum-feds-disrupted-by-heckling) > [Outreach Meeting In Tenn. Clouded By Anti-Muslim Uproar : NPR](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=190453539) > > In short: Meeting held to talk about Muslims in the US, republican protestors show up, claiming they care about “free speech” and how hate crimes oppress the poor, dear little christians. > > They then fucking CHEER AND APPLAUD when one of the presenters mentions a mosque that was burned down by an arsonist. > > Fucking monsters, every single fucking one of them. I guess christians and republicans think “Free speech” means “The right to murder others”. The jihadists and teahadists have a lot in common. Yes, I know, teahadists don’t stone or sexually mutilate their daughters. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9775 "2013-06-11T11:30:31Z")
Yet… ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9776 "2013-06-11T14:24:40Z")
Michael Savage and former Congressman Allen West likens Senator Kirsten Gillibrand to the [Khmer Rouge](http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/06/10/michael_savage_attacks_kirsten_gillibrand_and_the_military_rape_hearings.html) for trying to take military rape prosecutions out of the military chain of command. The only good thing about this? _Former_ Congressman Allen West. Hopefully a _never-again-to-be-a_ Congressman Allen West ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9777 "2013-06-11T17:50:20Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Michael Savage and former Congressman Allen West likens Senator Kirsten Gillibrand to the [Khmer Rouge](http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/06/10/michael_savage_attacks_kirsten_gillibrand_and_the_military_rape_hearings.html) for trying to take military rape prosecutions out of the military chain of command. > > The only good thing about this? _Former_ Congressman Allen West. Hopefully a _never-again-to-be-a_ Congressman Allen West Nothing new with [Savage](http://web.archive.org/web/20060526225224/http://www.sfbg.com/News/34/51/51dissb.html)’s polemics… > [@](#): > > Savage was discussing his proposal to round up and incarcerate the Bay Area’s homeless when he made reference to a program at Branson through which students volunteer to distribute sandwiches to the homeless in San Francisco. > > “You can get the kids from Marin to go in there with them at night,” Savage said during the Sept. 21 broadcast. “The girls from Branson can go in and maybe get raped … because they seem to like the excitement of it. There’s always the thrill and possibility they’ll be raped in a Dumpster while giving out a turkey sandwich.” Savage has a daughter, BTW. I’d be curious if anyone called him out for it (i. e., “Savage, what if had been your daughter?”). ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9778 "2013-06-12T00:58:24Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Michael Savage and former Congressman Allen West likens Senator Kirsten Gillibrand to the [Khmer Rouge](http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/06/10/michael_savage_attacks_kirsten_gillibrand_and_the_military_rape_hearings.html) for trying to take military rape prosecutions out of the military chain of command. > > The only good thing about this? _Former_ Congressman Allen West. Hopefully a _never-again-to-be-a_ Congressman Allen West So convicted war criminal Allen West is somebody we’re supposed to take advice about military justice from? Right. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9779 "2013-06-12T01:17:31Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > _Former_ Congressman Allen West. Hopefully a _never-again-to-be-a_ Congressman Allen West I thought he was the GOP’s Great Black Hope for president. Or Shirley Temple Black’s dancing partner. I’m easily confused these days. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/9780 "2013-06-12T16:03:18Z")
They just can’t help themselves - Trent Franks (R-AZ) says the rate of pregnancy from rape is ‘very low’: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/12/gop-congressman-rate-of-pregnancies-from-rape-is-very-low/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm\_twitter\_washingtonpost](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/12/gop-congressman-rate-of-pregnancies-from-rape-is-very-low/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost) On the plus side, he seems to be in favor of Plan B contraception: > [@](#): > > “But when you make that exception, there’s usually a requirement to report the rape within 48 hours. And in this case that’s impossible because this is in the sixth month of gestation. And that’s what completely negates and vitiates the purpose of such an amendment.” The overall discussion is around banning abortion after the 20th week vs. the apparent current standard of 24 weeks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=488) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=490)