# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/81 "2009-05-01T14:11:57Z")
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) released a fearmongering video, asking if Americans “feel safer” under President Obama. But one image in the video is Obama meeting with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Way to get the Latino vote! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/82 "2009-05-01T15:10:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > …And thanks, **luci**. I can only imagine how it must have pained you to come to my defense (such as it was). Still, men of good character and all that . . . Sorry, **Starkers** , but the quotes suppled are damning. Well, darning. Clearly, you are trying to make innuendo and suggestion accomplish what fact will not. While it is true that a merciless interrogation of the wording will not support a charge that you made a direct accusation that Hillary did Foster, you tired to suggest and infer such a scurrilous thing. An inference that you know as wll as I is a staple of rightard nuttery. I am embarassed for us both. Go lay down by your water dish. Bad **Starkers**! Bad! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/83 "2009-05-01T15:42:50Z")
So what _did_ happen to Foster and to what degree, if any, was HRC involved in whatever it was that may or may not have happened to Foster? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/84 "2009-05-01T15:48:39Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So what _did_ happen to Foster and to what degree, if any, was HRC involved in whatever it was that may or may not have happened to Foster? It’s a perverted story related to Monica Lewinsky and her threatened access to presidential dick. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/85 "2009-05-01T16:16:16Z")
Even Ken Starr concluded that the Vince Foster conspiracy was a load. Foster killed himself. The end. No mystery. No “unanswered questions.” Starr was also unable to find single shred of dirt on the Clintons from any other aspect of the Whitewater Inquisition. He was about to throw in the towel on it when Blowjob-gate landed in his lap. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/86 "2009-05-01T17:40:00Z")
So to speak. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/87 "2009-05-01T17:42:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So to speak. [del]Rim . . .[/del]BA DUM BUM! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/88 "2009-05-01T19:59:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sorry, **Starkers** , but the quotes suppled are damning. Well, darning. Clearly, you are trying to make innuendo and suggestion accomplish what fact will not. While it is true that a merciless interrogation of the wording will not support a charge that you made a direct accusation that Hillary did Foster, you tired to suggest and infer such a scurrilous thing. An inference that you know as wll as I is a staple of rightard nuttery. > > I am embarassed for us both. Go lay down by your water dish. Bad **Starkers**! Bad! \*“Aides to Hillary Clinton were investigated for the removal of unidentified files from Foster’s office before the Secret Service or FBI could secure the premises” and “As it happened, how the White House and Hillary Clinton in particular handled Foster’s files and documents immediately after his death became an issue of much investigation itself.”\* Both of the above are from Wiki on Vince Foster, and they say essentially the same thing I said (though admittedly with less animus 🆒). Even **Equipoise** has conceded that upon closer examination my words do not imply Hillary’s complicity in Foster’s death. Hillary Clinton is a sneaky, slippery, underhanded, dishonest person…just like her husband. The fact that the files disappeared only to be mysteriously located afterward in the White House living quarters is what I was referring to. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/89 "2009-05-01T20:01:51Z")
There was an investigation, so there must have been facts, is that it? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/90 "2009-05-01T22:43:12Z")
Then why mention it? Why even bring it up, since you as fully aware as we that there isn’t any there there? Unless, as I said, you are trying to achieve by innuendo what you cannot accomplish by facts. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/91 "2009-05-01T23:07:00Z")
The ‘there’ which was there was to remind people of Hillary Clinton’s long record of dishonesty, chicanery and file/evidence manipulation. Interesting information regarding the disappearing Foster/Whitewater files and Hillary’s chicanery with regard to that subject can be found [here](http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/01/opinion/essay-shredding-foster-s-files.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/C/Clinton,%20Hillary%20Rodham). Hopefully the fact that it comes from the NY Times and was written by William Safire will prevent the usual claims of partisanship that often accompanies attempts to highlight one of the numerous Clintonian wrongdoings. As far as my comment about Foster’s ‘odd death’, I was merely referring to the flurry of suspicious White House activity that surrounded it and not that Hillary herself was complicit in his death. As I said to **Equipoise** , if I’d had any reasonable belief that Hillary Clinton caused Vince Foster’s death, I’d have been trumpeting it to the rooftops instead of couching it in innuendo in a scant couple of posts having to do with her unsuitability for the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/92 "2009-05-01T23:14:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > A more calm and reasoned reading of my posts reveals only that I feel many questions have been raised about the Clintons’ behavior and character and curiously missing documents, and that they remain unanwered to this day. Oh, my stars. If only Dick Cheney had declassified the documents showing all the _good_ that came from that blowjob, the ends would have justified the means. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/93 "2009-05-01T23:14:25Z")
William Safire? Well, can’t get more non-partisan than that! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/94 "2009-05-01T23:25:40Z")
Still, do you deny his credibility? Do you question the facts as he outlined them? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/95 "2009-05-02T00:26:31Z")
So, in order to support your view of this trivial incident, you insist that I carefully review the facts of this minor footnote to history. Perhaps then, I might better appreciate your stance on this utterly vapid event? And to accomplish this end, you would have me read one of the snottiest pedants to ever tap a typewriter key? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/96 "2009-05-02T00:37:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Still, do you deny his credibility? Do you question the facts as he outlined them? I guess I have to deny his credibility because he never bothered to write a correction AFAIK: "Text: Final Report of the Independent Counsel in Regards to the Whitewater Investigation Robert W. Ray Independent Counsel January 5, 2001 VOLUME III. – WASHINGTON, D.C. INVESTIGATION Part E – The Discovery and Removal of Documents from Vincent W. Foster Jr.'s Office" [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/whitewater\_032002.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/whitewater_032002.html) > [@](#): > > Both circumstantial evidence (principally phone records and entry and exit logs) and testimonial evidence exist to create the inference that some people might have endeavored to tamper with 316 documents in Foster’s office, or counseled others to do so. > > **All people involved in those conversations denied such actions. Additionally, without any direct evidence – in particular, without testimony from anyone who claimed to have participated in any endeavor to obstruct the federal investigations – there was simply insufficient evidence or proof of any kind showing anyone committed perjury, made false statements or obstructed the due administration of justice by refusing to provide relevant records.** > > Accordingly, no criminal prosecutions about this aspect of the Independent Counsel’s investigation will be brought. This matter is now closed. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/97 "2009-05-02T01:06:28Z")
Vince Foster invented the Swine Flu. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/98 "2009-05-02T02:06:03Z")
I thought Hillary did, and killed Vince with it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/99 "2009-05-02T02:42:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Still, do you deny his credibility? Do you question the facts as he outlined them? Nah, just as _you_ outline them. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/100 "2009-05-02T02:54:57Z")
So, this whole Vince Foster diversion into nowheresville…is this the stupid idea for Friday, or Saturday? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=6)