# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 639
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12761 "2014-02-12T18:37:19Z")
**Rhythmdvl** , sure. Here’s one from Kansas, for example: > [@](#): > > The Court of Appeals drew a distinction between being intoxicated and being unable to consent to sex as a result of intoxicating liquor. The distinction suggests there must be a certain level of intoxication for a victim to be unable to consent. The derivation of this standard is unclear. K.S.A. 21–3502(a)(1)(C) says nothing about a requisite level of intoxication. The Court of Appeals observed: “While there was an abundance of evidence that K.G. may have been intoxicated or drunk, there is no evidence that she was unable to consent to sexual relations as a result of the intoxicating liquor.” This conclusion implies that because K.G. said that she was able to tell Chaney no, she was able to give consent under 21–3502(a)(1)(C). K.G. testified: > > “Q. [K.G.] are you telling this Court that you were so intoxicated the night this supposedly happened that you weren’t able to tell Jason no? > “A. I did tell him no. > “Q. So you weren’t so overcome by alcohol that you couldn’t tell somebody not to do this? > “A. I did tell him.” > > The Court of Appeals characterized K.G.‘s answers “direct evidence from the victim’s own testimony that she was, in fact, capable \*17 of consenting and was not affected by the liquor to the extent she could not consent.” The Court of Appeals apparently equates the ability to make verbal protestations with sobriety. That equation is the sole premise for the Court of Appeals’ conclusion that K.G. was not drunk enough to be unable to consent. The Court of Appeals concluded that Chaney should have been convicted of forcible rape. > > We disagree with the Court of Appeals on several grounds… > > State v. Chaney, 5 P.3d 492 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12762 "2014-02-12T19:58:34Z")
Where do I get my no-fault rape insurance? Is there an ACA-approved policy that covers that? ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12763 "2014-02-12T20:08:35Z")
> [@For You](#): > > Where do I get my no-fault rape insurance? Is there an ACA-approved policy that covers that? Only for _legitimate_ rape. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12764 "2014-02-12T21:22:33Z")
[Republicans say it’s discrimination to not let them discriminate.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/kansas-same-sex-marriage-religion_n_4773772.html?utm_hp_ref=politics) > [@](#): > > “Discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful … It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill,” Macheers said. “There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular. This bill provides a shield of protection for that.” I am tired of republicans. Clean your fucking house you stupid assholes. Fix this fucking bullshit. You are responsible for this hate. In the future, you will be remembered no differently than the KKK. You fuckers are **evil** , and I am sick of it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12765 "2014-02-12T22:55:16Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > Only for _legitimate_ rape. No big deal, you can take care of the formalities at any Vegas drive-thru rape chapel. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12766 "2014-02-12T23:49:04Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > [Republicans say it’s discrimination to not let them discriminate.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/kansas-same-sex-marriage-religion_n_4773772.html?utm_hp_ref=politics) > > I am tired of republicans. Clean your fucking house you stupid assholes. Fix this fucking bullshit. You are responsible for this hate. > > In the future, you will be remembered no differently than the KKK. You fuckers are **evil** , and I am sick of it. SMH. Assume for the sake of argument that you honestly believe that gay sex is sinful. (Or contraception is sinful, since we’re hearing the same arguments re ACA) No one in their right mind would extend that to mean that selling a bag of potato chips to a gay couple is sinful. Or covering contraception in your employees’ health care is sinful. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12767 "2014-02-13T00:19:12Z")
Lightning strikes! The House Republicans appear to have finally had a _good_ idea for once in their miserable brain-damaged lives. Whoda thunk it? They passed the debt ceiling increase. And they passed it clean! No amendments! For a full year for a change, until May 2015 even! True, they really didn’t have any choice any more. But that hasn’t bothered them in the past. At least for once they finally figured that out and chose to get it done and move on. There’s always still the ACA to work on repealing (again). Give 'em credit for that at least. We don’t see such faint stirrings of intelligent life in the House that often these days. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12768 "2014-02-13T00:28:53Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Lightning strikes! > > The House Republicans appear to have finally had a _good_ idea for once in their miserable brain-damaged lives. Whoda thunk it? > > They passed the debt ceiling increase. And they passed it clean! No amendments! For a full year for a change, until May 2015 even! > > True, they really didn’t have any choice any more. But that hasn’t bothered them in the past. At least for once they finally figured that out and chose to get it done and move on. There’s always still the ACA to work on repealing (again). > > Give 'em credit for that at least. We don’t see such faint stirrings of intelligent life in the House that often these days. Credit is due, yes. [To Boehner and the **28** out of 232 House Pubs who voted for it.](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us/politics/boehner-to-bring-debt-ceiling-to-vote-without-policy-attachments.html?_r=1) May the voters fire the other 204 in November. But they won’t. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12769 "2014-02-13T01:52:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Credit is due, yes. [To Boehner and the **28** out of 232 House Pubs who voted for it.](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/us/politics/boehner-to-bring-debt-ceiling-to-vote-without-policy-attachments.html?_r=1) May the voters fire the other 204 in November. But they won’t. Our ol’ buddy Ted Cruz, by threatening to filibuster the debt ceiling bill, conspired to shine a light on the 12 Senate republicans with 2 brain cells to rub together – the ones who voted for the bill. It’ll be interesting to see if this is a positive or negative thing for those 12. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12770 "2014-02-13T01:53:44Z")
That can be somewhat defended, and on non-partisan grounds. There is something of a tradition of protest voting on the debt ceiling, when one is certain that it will pass, one can indulge oneself in a display of courage/extremism. Dems have done it, often enough. Nothing wrong with \*kabuki \*theater in politics, drama can outline and simplify the conflicts into digestible terms. So this kind of _sturm and drama_ is legit, so long as there’s no actual danger of a _seppuku_ scene with a real sword. Thats what Boner was signifying with his speech of surrender, “We don’t have the 218!”. The Republicans who were afraid to vote Sane now could vote Batshit without any disaster being their fault. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12771 "2014-02-13T02:19:51Z")
Idaho bill would allow doctors to refuse to treat gays or lesbians on religious grounds - [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/) The legislator says he wants to protect doctors from losing their licenses if they refuse to treat gay patients. Wouldn’t they still be liable to be kicked out of the profession by the AMA? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12772 "2014-02-13T02:24:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Idaho bill would allow doctors to refuse to treat gays or lesbians on religious grounds - [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/) > > The legislator says he wants to protect doctors from losing their licenses if they refuse to treat gay patients. Wouldn’t they still be liable to be kicked out of the profession by the AMA? Uh, yeah…and wouldn’t that also be a violation of the Hippocratic Oath? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12773 "2014-02-13T02:48:41Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Idaho bill would allow doctors to refuse to treat gays or lesbians on religious grounds - [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/) > > The legislator says he wants to protect doctors from losing their licenses if they refuse to treat gay patients. Wouldn’t they still be liable to be kicked out of the profession by the AMA? Do you need to be an AMA member to practice medicine? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12774 "2014-02-13T04:02:56Z")
I don’t think so. Physicians are licensed by state-level agencies. The AMA has some influence on their standards, but membership is not mandatory. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12775 "2014-02-13T04:49:48Z")
Is there any reason to believe that the nation’s doctors are extraordinarily homophobic? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12776 "2014-02-13T04:50:27Z")
Maybe only Idaho’s. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12777 "2014-02-13T07:55:42Z")
That Idaho bill article mentions a variety of licensed professions who would be protected from having to service teh gayz :rolleyes: . . . . . . including _police officers!_ :eek: Now that actually sounds scary too. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12778 "2014-02-13T14:28:06Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > [Republicans say it’s discrimination to not let them discriminate.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/kansas-same-sex-marriage-religion_n_4773772.html?utm_hp_ref=politics) The two classic defenses of bigotry and intolerance are 1. “It’s intolerant of you to not accept my intolerance!” and 2. “What about my 1st Amendment rights to say ignorant and intolerant bullshit?” Once any form of these come into play, one can feel comfort knowing the battle is in the end stages. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12779 "2014-02-13T14:37:16Z")
[Permits? We don’t need no steeenking permits!](http://www.salon.com/2014/02/12/nikki_haley_let_people_carry_guns_without_training_or_a_permit/) South Carolina’s governor thinks people should be able to carry concealed weapons without training or permits, because…I don’t know, the ghey? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/12780 "2014-02-13T14:38:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Idaho bill would allow doctors to refuse to treat gays or lesbians on religious grounds - [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/idaho-bill-would-allow-doctors-or-cops-to-refuse-service-to-lgbt-people-on-religious-grounds/) Reading [the text of the bill](http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2453_01_0000.pdf), it doesn’t appear to distinguish between same-sex and traditional marriage. It also appears to allow a conscience exception for any “sincerely held religious belief regarding sex and gender.” In short, it’s the worst-written piece of legislation I’ve ever seen. It would allow a doctor to refuse to treat a patient because she thought same-sex marriage was _wrong_. 😃 It doesn’t just apply to doctors, either, but to all “individuals or religious entities.” > [@jsc1953](#): > > Uh, yeah…and wouldn’t that also be a violation of the Hippocratic Oath? The Hippocratic Oath doesn’t have any legal force. However… > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Do you need to be an AMA member to practice medicine? > [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t think so. Physicians are licensed by state-level agencies. The AMA has some influence on their standards, but membership is not mandatory. State licensing boards do generally require physicians to treat patients as they come, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=638) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=640)