# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 841
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16801 "2014-09-17T18:31:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No one likes rape, but I do agree that there’s a sexist streak among prominent Republican men. Although frankly, it could just be a generational thing. While Democrats when handled properly seem to know what not to say in public, too many Democrats get nailed for being pigs in their personal life to convince me that they actually respect women. You ever notice when Democrats are pigs, they are usually having consensual sex with a mistress ([Edwards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards_extramarital_affair), [Mahoney](http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5997043&page=1)), but Republicans have to pay someone to have sex with them ([Vitter](http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/07/11/new-orleans-madam-says-sen-david-vitter-used-her-brothel/), [Hinkle](http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/anti-gay-republican-caught-cruising-craigslist-for#4cpxrlx), [Horner](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/mike-horner-sex-prostitution-scandal_n_1910647.html))? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16802 "2014-09-17T18:32:10Z")
Trickle-down effect. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16803 "2014-09-17T18:35:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Trickle-down effect. Ewww. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16804 "2014-09-17T19:17:08Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > See: discussions of the slippery slope from SSM to man-on-dog marriage. Can I just say something here? Every time a Republican comes out rabidly against gay rights or SSM, they get caught having gay sex in a bathroom. I’ve been really scared ever since they started obsessing about bestiality being the inevitable fate of allowing gayness. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16805 "2014-09-17T19:21:44Z")
[Too late.](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/gop-senator-did-indecent-things-with-animals.html) Old news, I know, but Mississippi Senator Thad Cochran admitted it: > [@](#): > > While addressing the crowd at a Hattiesburg campaign event, Cochran shared some childhood memories of visiting family in the area: “It was fun. It was an adventure, to be out there in the country and seeing what goes on. Picking up pecans — from that to all kinds of indecent things with animals,” he recalled. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16806 "2014-09-17T19:23:02Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I’ve been really scared ever since they started obsessing about bestiality being the inevitable fate of allowing gayness. You ain’t the only one, my friend. It seems like most of the conservative fears are really desires. Yeah, I know that it’s not every single one, but it’s enough. It reminds me of people who think without religion everyone would be out killing and raping and stealing. That just seems like a massive projection. ---
**Author:** ![orangeapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@orangeapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orangeapples)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16807 "2014-09-17T21:28:04Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > But date rape is expensive – a dinner and drinks and all that. With an alley and a club, well – the alley is free and you can split the cost of the club among all the rapees. Surely that should be rapers, unless this is another Ferguson PD policy come to light. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16808 "2014-09-17T23:34:17Z")
> [@orangeapples](#): > > Surely that should be rapers, unless this is another Ferguson PD policy come to light. You gotta admit, the invoicing on those “club fees” would certainly make it simple for investigators to find the HRIC. [Head Rapist(s) in Charge] Except: A proper conservative solution would be to tie funding for rape investigation to the same budget as rape kits. And then cut that part of the budget. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16809 "2014-09-18T00:31:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It depends, actually. “I’m a professional race-car driver – you should sleep with me!” is not rape-by-deceit. But (if, perhaps, the woman is visually impaired, or if it’s in the dark) “I’m your husband back from the war – let’s go to bed!” is rape-by-deceit. That’s not so much an “it depends”, than a “there’s a 1 in a million situation where that could be rape”. People lie to get sex, both women and men. Situations where people pretend to be someone the person is already in a relationship with are seen more in movies and literature than in real life. She also argued that if a woman is not sober and gives consent, it’s really a “no”. That’s where we get into really dangerous territory, when yes actually can mean no. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16810 "2014-09-18T00:53:44Z")
Not to mention that people who have sex with drunk women are often drunk themselves. Could charges be filed mutually or is it just the fault of the one with the penis? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16811 "2014-09-18T01:03:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She also argued that if a woman is not sober and gives consent, it’s really a “no”. That’s where we get into really dangerous territory, when yes actually can mean no. Um… yes ? It’s not exactly a novel and puzzling concept. If the lady’s blitzed, the right thing to do is to call her a cab or escort her home, get her number, then go away. If she’s into you, you’ll get to the fun part later anyway. If she’s not, well, first you’ll just not have had sex once, which is hardly a tragic catastophe; second we get an inkling of how that could be rape to take advantage of her altered state, neh ? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16812 "2014-09-18T01:14:48Z")
I agree with the morals of it. I just don’t think it’s rape unless she’s so blitzed she’s insensate. If she’s saying yes or downright encouraging you to get it on with her, that’s not rape. That’s consensual. While the conservative push back over expanding the definition of rape has been argued in a clumsy way, I do agree in general that criminalizing behavior done by literally millions of men for as long as men have been around, while also roping in quite a large number of women as well who engage in such behavior is not a good idea. That’s why going from “no means no” to requiring affirmative consent is probably going to have unintended consequences. Starting with a lot of female rapists on college campuses. ---
**Author:** ![campp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@campp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/campp)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16813 "2014-09-18T01:47:02Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Nothing on the guy in Arizona who wants to “Norplant” welfare recipients? I swear I want to print a bunch of bumper stickers that say “I’m pro-life. Just not yours.” Think they’d sell? Russell Pierce. Not in office any more, thank FSM, so we just dismiss him as we would the babbling guy near the freeway with the little sign. He is a party member so there’s that. [http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/russell-pearce-resigns-110959.html](http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/russell-pearce-resigns-110959.html) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16814 "2014-09-18T06:48:25Z")
BTW, in regards to my earlier criticism about ruling out ground troops, two very prominent generals say we’re going to need them. > **[U.S. Army Chief Says Ground Troops Will Be Needed Against ISIS (Published 2014)](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/world/middleeast/general-odierno-isis-iraq-nato.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpBlogHeadline&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)** > > Gen. Ray Odierno, the Army chief of staff, said “rooting out” militants on the ground would be necessary, but he did not say it had to be done by Americans. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16815 "2014-09-18T07:12:15Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You ain’t the only one, my friend. It seems like most of the conservative fears are really desires. Yeah, I know that it’s not every single one, but it’s enough. It’s not just the conservatives. Garfunkel and Oates have been quite open about their plans for waterfowl [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXPcBI4CJc8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXPcBI4CJc8) come the day. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16816 "2014-09-18T07:25:58Z")
I saw that movie! This Republican guy with a shotgun raped Ned Beatty and made him quack like a duck! ---
**Author:** ![albert75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@albert75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/albert75)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16817 "2014-09-18T07:27:15Z")
Let’s elect Hillary or another Democrat in 2016 and have the federal government control what you see on TV, read in newspapers, eat, etc… Let the federal debt spiral out of control.as it is out if control now…we have $17.5 trillion in debt now and another $100 trillion in unpaid obligations in the future 10 years…not to mention all the trillions in state’s debt not accounted for… Let’s let millions of illegal aliens in and grant them citizenship and see what a third world country the USA will become… Enjoy your lifestyle now liberals… Because things have changed quickly in these past 6 years…and it will be your fault because you elected a community organizer who wants to be King ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16818 "2014-09-18T07:37:41Z")
I can’t quite remember when I first heard this litany of doom, but I think it was around 1960. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16819 "2014-09-18T07:43:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Let’s let millions of illegal aliens in and grant them citizenship Wouldn’t that make them legal immigrants? What with the letting them in and the granting citizenship and all? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/16820 "2014-09-18T08:50:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I agree with the morals of it. I just don’t think it’s rape unless she’s so blitzed she’s insensate. If she’s saying yes or downright encouraging you to get it on with her, that’s not rape. That’s consensual. > > While the conservative push back over expanding the definition of rape has been argued in a clumsy way, I do agree in general that criminalizing behavior done by literally millions of men for as long as men have been around, while also roping in quite a large number of women as well who engage in such behavior is not a good idea. That’s why going from “no means no” to requiring affirmative consent is probably going to have unintended consequences. Starting with a lot of female rapists on college campuses. You do realize that “Oh come on, men have been doing it for thousands of years !” is a poor response to a feminist notion, right ? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=840) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=842)