# Stupid Republican idea of the day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897 "2009-03-26T18:48:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 858
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17141 "2014-09-30T16:33:23Z")
Rep. Doug Lamborn of Colorado has been [inciting insubordination](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/26/obama-generals-resign_n_5888434.html): > [@](#): > > “A lot of us are talking to the generals behind the scenes, saying, ‘Hey, if you disagree with the policy that the White House has given you, let’s have a resignation,’” Lamborn said Tuesday, adding that if generals resigned en masse in protest of President Barack Obama’s Middle East policy, they would “go out in a blaze of glory.” He’s a member of the House Armed Services Committee too, but so far no mention of resigning. Way to support the troops, Congressman. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17142 "2014-09-30T16:44:21Z")
Alan West. 'Nuff sed. > **[Tea Party War Criminal Allen West Tells Military To Disobey The...](https://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/tea-party-war-criminal-allen-west-tells)** > > Allen West is at it again. The Fox News regular is now urging members of the military to disobey orders from their Commander in Chief. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17143 "2014-09-30T16:44:58Z")
That’s not exactly controversial. Obama is clearly ignoring military advice, even from former administration officials like Bob Gates and Leon Panetta. He is the man in charge, and I understand why he’s doing what he’s doing and support his reasoning. But I also recognize that there are big risks in bucking the military’s expertise, and that some generals might want to resign rather than carry out a policy they consider foolish. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17144 "2014-09-30T16:53:34Z")
Lamborn is now trying to [pretend he didn’t say what he said](http://gazette.com/coffman-gardner-criticize-lamborns-comments-on-military-leadership/article/1538494). Why bother doing that, if it wasn’t “controversial”? The absolute purity of your loyalty is touching, **adaher** , but it would do you a lot more good to put country \*ahead of \*party. Even West is only blasting Obama himself., not inciting insubordination and arguably treason. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17145 "2014-09-30T16:56:15Z")
Well, yeah, the patriotic right always rallies around the Commander in Chief during times of crisis! ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17146 "2014-09-30T16:59:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, yeah, the patriotic right always rallies around the Commander in Chief during times of crisis! Except when they’re trying to throw the military structure into disarray by getting the generals to resign. But other than that, they’d never do anything to weaken the country during a time of war! ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17147 "2014-09-30T17:01:24Z")
> [@cjhunsinger](#): > > I have found that people who pose an argument with the use of vulgarities, usually do not have one. As usual with prudes who make such statements, you’re [wrong](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/26/jon-stewart-fox-news-latte-salute_n_5886396.html). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17148 "2014-09-30T17:31:58Z")
> [@cjhunsinger](#): > > I have found that people who pose an argument with the use of vulgarities, usually do not have one. Welcome to the Dope, **cjhunsinger** , fail to be a fuckhead. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17149 "2014-09-30T17:33:33Z")
There’s a pretty big distinction between telling generals to resign and telling them to _disobey orders_. Resigning in the face of what you believe are improper orders is pretty much what you’re supposed to do (allowing for the fact that your beliefs might be stupid.) West, on the other hand, should be in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17150 "2014-09-30T17:58:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Rep. Doug Lamborn of Colorado has been [inciting insubordination](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/26/obama-generals-resign_n_5888434.html): He’s a member of the House Armed Services Committee too, but so far no mention of resigning. > > Way to support the troops, Congressman. Honestly, I don’t have a problem with this. While I don’t have an opinion on this particular issue, I wish there would be more resignations rather saluting and carrying out stupid and dangerous orders. Imagine if the joint chiefs had resigned rather than ordering an invasion of Iraq. Resigning out of principle has a long and distinguished history and is arguably far more rare than it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17151 "2014-09-30T18:00:21Z")
If only those who actually get fired on could resign… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17152 "2014-09-30T19:02:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s not exactly controversial. Obama is clearly ignoring military advice, even from former administration officials like Bob Gates and Leon Panetta. He is the man in charge, and I understand why he’s doing what he’s doing and support his reasoning. But I also recognize that there are big risks in bucking the military’s expertise, and that some generals might want to resign rather than carry out a policy they consider foolish. They might decide to, but there is no excuse for Lamborn to encourage them to. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17153 "2014-09-30T19:25:58Z")
[National Review Writer: Women Who Have Abortions Should Be Hanged.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kevin-williamson-abortion-tweet) And the men who knocked them up should be **hung!** Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17154 "2014-09-30T20:14:47Z")
Does Lamborn’s nasty utterance come close to treason? Imagine how much Imodium® the GOP would have needed to consume if a Democrat had said something like that during the Bush-Halliburton War against Gog and Magog. > [@adaher](#): > > … Obama is clearly ignoring military advice … I doubt the advice was unanimous … which is win-win for the Republiopaths: they can make the same whine whichever way a decision goes. Anyway, there’s a fine history of Presidents overruling their military advisors. Truman overruled a majority of the Joint Chiefs to approve [the landings at Incheon in 1950](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Inchon) which probably saved South Korea. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17155 "2014-09-30T21:34:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > T Obama is clearly ignoring military advice Who’s advice is he ignoring? Seriously, I’m asking, no snark. Which military advisors advised him to go in a different direction, to take different action? When I say advisors, I mean the ones who report to him now. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17156 "2014-09-30T21:40:16Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Anyway, there’s a fine history of Presidents overruling their military advisors. Truman overruled a majority of the Joint Chiefs to approve [the landings at Incheon in 1950](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Inchon) which probably saved South Korea. Not to mention (rightly) firing MacArthur. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17157 "2014-09-30T21:51:48Z")
Duplicate post. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17158 "2014-09-30T22:17:09Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Who’s advice is he ignoring? > > Seriously, I’m asking, no snark. Which military advisors advised him to go in a different direction, to take different action? When I say advisors, I mean the ones who report to him now. What, you don’t consider Allen West to be one of the president’s military advisors? [I mean, the Washington Post figures he’s a shoo-in to run the Secret Service, so…](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/09/30/wash-post-piece-calls-for-allen-west-to-head-se/200946) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17159 "2014-09-30T22:29:44Z")
[The people being used on the Republicans Are People website are stock photos instead of real Republicans](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/29/1333278/-GOP-s-Republicans-Are-People-Video-Can-t-Find-Any-Uses-Stock-Photos). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2014, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/17160 "2014-09-30T22:39:15Z")
Laura Ingraham: [The problem with the Secret Service is that it’s run by a woman](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/ingraham-blames-gender-equality-for-white-house-breach-secret-service-brought-in-a-woman/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=857) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897.md?page=859)