# Stupid rhetorical questions regarding unversal healthcare and stuff like that. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204 "2009-09-07T22:15:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/61 "2009-09-09T15:24:21Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Ask them if they have to wait a year, or if they’ll die before they an angiogram or if they’ll die before they get a cancer screening right now at this very moment. Because, if they don’t now, they won’t then since single payer is NOT what is being proposed. The healthcare bill that is being discussed will let you keep the insurance you have now if you so choose. SIMPLE. > > These people _think_ that they won’t have to wait a year for an angiogram and they’d be right. But see how long it takes their insurance to pay. [THIS IS HAPPENING NOW.](http://www.bluecommonwealth.com/diary/1159/california-nurses-study-reveals-the-insurance-claim-denial-system-is-the-real-rationioning) Since the present health care is unsustainable, you will not get your present health care for very long. Face it, we have to overhaul the whole thing. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39782-2005Jan26.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39782-2005Jan26.html) Bush tried to do a quick fix himself. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/62 "2009-09-09T15:33:02Z")
I keep seeing the word “Ford” next to the word “elected” and I have no idea what the fuck is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/63 "2009-09-09T15:48:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You say [Bush lied about Iraq](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11533722&postcount=32)! > > Regards, > Shodan I’m sorry **Shodan** you must think I am someone else. I am a liberal who wants health care reform. All I ask is an answer to people who ask the questions I asked above. If I can’t answer them , who can? ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/64 "2009-09-09T16:05:40Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Well, yes , it’s fun to poke at that **JimmyJoe** person, but no one is giving me answers. > > What do I say when someone says I would have to wait years for a mammogram? > What do I say when someone says I can die before I have an angiogram? > What do I say when someone says I might die before I get a screening for cervical cancer? > > What do I say? How can I convince them? > > The nay sayers think we are all going to have to wait years before we get treatment. What do I say? How can I convince them? I can only offer information about the NHS, which is (a) **not** what Obama is proposing and (b) is \*\*less \*\*well funded than any other universal healthcare model in the developed world, so . . . take this as towards the bottom end of expectations: [All about mammograms](http://www.cancerscreening.nhs.uk/breastscreen/faqs.html) [Angiogram policy](http://www.heart.nhs.uk/18weeks/main/generic.html) [All about cervical screening](http://www.cancerscreening.nhs.uk/cervical/) Believe me, you are doing the right thing in supporting reform. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/65 "2009-09-09T16:08:33Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Well, yes , it’s fun to poke at that **JimmyJoe** person, but no one is giving me answers. > > What do I say when someone says I would have to wait years for a mammogram? > What do I say when someone says I can die before I have an angiogram? > What do I say when someone says I might die before I get a screening for cervical cancer? > > What do I say? How can I convince them? > > The nay sayers think we are all going to have to wait years before we get treatment. What do I say? How can I convince them? You can’t convince them, probably. You might ask them why they think they would have to wait so long for these things. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/66 "2009-09-09T16:12:51Z")
> **[Examiner is back - Examiner.com](https://examiner.com)** > > Examiner.com is the go-to source for millions of people who want to know what's happening in their city. And we're still growing! taiwan had more than 40 % of their people uncovered in 1995. They adopted health care reform and 96 % are covered and the overall cost has gone DOWN. The repubs are offering smoke and mirrors. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/67 "2009-09-09T16:27:03Z")
Wondreful. So the death panel wins. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/68 "2009-09-09T16:45:50Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Wondreful. So the death panel wins. In the long run, it always does. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/69 "2009-09-09T16:48:58Z")
Are we going to keep re-hashing the myth that there are death panels, please. They are really death committees. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/70 "2009-09-09T17:22:29Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Well, yes , it’s fun to poke at that **JimmyJoe** person, but no one is giving me answers. > > What do I say when someone says I would have to wait years for a mammogram? > What do I say when someone says I can die before I have an angiogram? > What do I say when someone says I might die before I get a screening for cervical cancer? > > What do I say? How can I convince them? > > The nay sayers think we are all going to have to wait years before we get treatment. What do I say? How can I convince them? Do you mean the naysayers who you speak with personally, on a one-to-one basis? If you want to engage them at face value, it might be a good idea to ask them what makes them believe that those predictions have merit. If they will answer that honestly, you’ll be in a far better position to begin convincing them. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/71 "2009-09-09T17:53:06Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > I keep seeing the word “Ford” next to the word “elected” and I have no idea what the fuck is going on. Welcome to post #54. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/72 "2009-09-09T18:27:11Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Are we going to keep re-hashing the myth that there are death panels, please. They are really death committees. Somebody should tell Sarah Palin. She’s [sticking with death panels](http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/09/palin_warns_of.html): > [@](#): > > "In an interview with the New York Times in April, the president suggested that such a group, working outside of ‘normal political channels,’ should guide decisions regarding that ‘huge driver of cost . . . the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives . . . .’ Palin writes. > > "Given such statements, is it any wonder that many of the sick and elderly are concerned that the Democrats’ proposals will ultimately lead to rationing of their health care by—dare I say it—death panels? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/73 "2009-09-09T18:38:58Z")
> [@Hamadryad](#): > > Welcome to post #54. Post #54, meet post #49. (…where the guy who made the mistake corrected himself in the very next post, fer cryin’ out loud.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/74 "2009-09-10T14:14:48Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You say [Bush lied about Iraq](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11533722&postcount=32)! > > Regards, > Shodan Silly boy. Distraction’s your side’s game. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/75 "2009-09-10T23:34:20Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Post #54, meet post #49. > > (…where the guy who made the mistake corrected himself in the very next post, fer cryin’ out loud.) Palm, meet forehead. (Actually, they’re already very well acquainted.) ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204/76 "2009-09-11T07:08:56Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > **JJM** , every other post you’ve made in this thread might be evidence that you’re a moron of the highest order, but credit where it’s due: That was sublime. Actually it should have been “Why do you think posterbot technology moved along very well?” But I played with the original Eliza. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-rhetorical-questions-regarding-unversal-healthcare-and-stuff-like-that/509204.md?page=3)