# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/201 "2017-03-20T22:33:03Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Well, then, what am I supposed to do with this watery tart, here? I’d suggest dodging the scimitar that she’s about to lob at you. 😉 ETA: It’s the moistened bint that lobs the scimitar, isn’t it? Never can keep 'em straight. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/202 "2017-03-20T22:48:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Come up with a definition of liberal or conservative that works perfectly. Eh, the definitions for “SJW” offered so far are sufficient unto the purpose. For instance, they designate this as the thread for “War On Christmas” nonsense when that season arrives. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/203 "2017-03-20T23:11:53Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Wow. > > Just so you know, when you link to a story like this in a thread where you defend your utter contempt for “social justice warriors,” it makes me horrified about your argument, not about social justice warriors. my exact reaction ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/204 "2017-03-20T23:36:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Leftists who support gun rights are shunned. Leftists who oppose gay rights are shunned. Had the left been more gracious in embracing diverse opinions the Tragedy of November Eighth might have been averted. I think there might be something here - among the conservative folks I know, there’s still generally an attitude of “look, it’s not my thing and I might even wish it wasn’t anyone’s thing, but I’m not going to stop you doing it as long as you aren’t hurting anyone (or messing with my business”. However, a large number of the leftists I know are extremely intolerant of any view that differs from their own - often it’s not just enough to accept their view, one has to be wholeheartedly in favour of it lest one be seen as not tolerant enough or something. I’ve been called transphobic before for saying “I think trans people should be able to use whichever restroom facilities match their identified gender, but I don’t actually know any trans folks so it’s really not an issue I have much reason to give much thought to beyond that” - in other words, _not caring enough_. The problem ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/205 "2017-03-20T23:41:56Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I think there might be something here - among the conservative folks I know, there’s still generally an attitude of “look, it’s not my thing and I might even wish it wasn’t anyone’s thing, but I’m not going to stop you doing it as long as you aren’t hurting anyone (or messing with my business”. Or wanting the same rights. Or jobs. Or not to be beaten, raped, or killed. Or imprisoned. But otherwise, they’re not gonna stop you! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/206 "2017-03-20T23:52:43Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I’ve been called transphobic before for saying “I think trans people should be able to use whichever restroom facilities match their identified gender, but I don’t actually know any trans folks so it’s really not an issue I have much reason to give much thought to beyond that” - in other words, _not caring enough_. Did that happen on this board? I’d like a chance to laugh at the person who told you such. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/207 "2017-03-21T00:16:51Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > I’d suggest dodging the scimitar that she’s about to lob at you. 😉 > ETA: It’s the moistened bint that lobs the scimitar, isn’t it? Never can keep 'em straight. 😛 Of course you can’t keep 'em straight! They’re just two different labels for the same H2O enhanced woman of questionable morals. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/208 "2017-03-21T00:54:54Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > Of course you can’t keep 'em straight! They’re just two different labels for the same H2O enhanced woman of questionable morals. Mmmmmm…H2O-enhanced women of questionable morals! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/209 "2017-03-21T01:29:20Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I think there might be something here - among the conservative folks I know, there’s still generally an attitude of “look, it’s not my thing and I might even wish it wasn’t anyone’s thing, but I’m not going to stop you doing it as long as you aren’t hurting anyone (or messing with my business”. > > However, a large number of the leftists I know are extremely intolerant of any view that differs from their own - often it’s not just enough to accept their view, one has to be wholeheartedly in favour of it lest one be seen as not tolerant enough or something. Your anecdotal evidence is interesting, but this is a topic where we’ve got reliable data when it comes to which sentiments are more common, and that is the attitudes of elected representatives on the left and on the right. And on the right, for those elected representatives, intolerance is the coin of the realm - gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry, and discrimination against them should be allowed and encouraged. Not only are they intolerant of a woman’s right to choose, but that intolerance increasingly carries all the way to birth control. And it goes well beyond personal matters: near-universal health care is actually cheaper for the country than the way things were before, but because some ‘undeserving’ people might be getting health care, we should throw it all away, they say. Or they’ll ignore a near-total scientific consensus on climate change, the evidence of which is becoming painfully obvious to lay observers as well, because while it started off as a mere gotta-keep-corporations-happy thing, disbelief in climate change has long since become a matter of religious dogma on the right. I could go on. And on. And on. So tell me, what are the politicians on the left so unreasonably dogmatic about? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/210 "2017-03-21T01:36:44Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > “Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.” - [Dennis the Peasant](http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0091184/quotes) > > I figure that’s not quite as much a _non sequitur_ as your question, but it’s the best I can do right now. You are the one brought up belief and law. Sorry if the obvious relevance of my question eludes you. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/211 "2017-03-21T02:25:03Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > So tell me, what are the politicians on the left so unreasonably dogmatic about? You’re aware I live in Australia, right? Our political landscape is markedly different to the one in the US. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/212 "2017-03-21T03:22:36Z")
This thread has gone off the rails into semantics, so let me opine that the right has blown up “SJW” from a limited term to a general insult. They’re really good at this, see also: Regressive - Originally a term of abuse from one liberal to another in internecine debates, but the right now uses it as a synonym or intensifier for “SJW.” It’s weird to see Trump supporters call liberals “regressives,” but here we are. Fake news - For a couple days this was a term for flagrantly lying news stories, often created by fly by night operations in Eastern Europe or Facebook memes made up by someone’s uncle. Now it’s used to describe any news organization that goes against Trump or Republicans, everything from Democracy Now to The Washington Post. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/213 "2017-03-21T04:22:33Z")
If I wanted to give an example of a SJW website, I would say “Everyday Feminism”. While some of them may have good intentions, their articles are usually written in a very sanctimonious, finger-wagging tone, basically that everyone is guilty until proven innocent. They’re also big on the Kafkatrap, I’ve noticed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/214 "2017-03-21T06:53:46Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > …They’re also big on the Kafkatrap, I’ve noticed. Is that like a roach motel? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/215 "2017-03-21T07:08:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is that like a roach motel? Denial of guilt is proof that you’re guilty. (It’s kind of in the same vein as “Have you stopped beating your wife yet?”) [Kafkatrap](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kafkatrapping) (Note: this is not exclusive to any political view – anyone can be guilty of it.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/216 "2017-03-21T09:07:53Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You are the one brought up belief and law. Sorry if the obvious relevance of my question eludes you. It’s relevant only in a First Things sort of sense, where we all have to go back to “I think, therefore I am” and work back up, step by step, to deduce the existence of rice pudding. Sorry, but don’t have time for that this year. Next year isn’t looking so good either. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/217 "2017-03-21T09:12:56Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > You’re aware I live in Australia, right? Our political landscape is markedly different to the one in the US. No, with all due respect I can’t say I’d paid enough attention to you to realize that. Besides the general prevalence of Americans on this board, the examples the OP gave (and the other examples I noticed) were from the U.S. and Canada, so I figured that’s kinda where we were in this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/218 "2017-03-21T10:10:50Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > No, with all due respect I can’t say I’d paid enough attention to you to realize that. > > Besides the general prevalence of Americans on this board, the examples the OP gave (and the other examples I noticed) were from the U.S. and Canada, so I figured that’s kinda where we were in this discussion. Well, now you know. I’m in Australia, not the US, I’m afraid. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/219 "2017-03-21T11:39:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > If I wanted to give an example of a SJW website, I would say “Everyday Feminism”. While some of them may have good intentions, their articles are usually written in a very sanctimonious, finger-wagging tone, basically that everyone is guilty until proven innocent. They’re also big on the Kafkatrap, I’ve noticed. That’s “interesting”, but the SJW label is also used against people who peacefully protest hateful bigots and against people who work to let trans-kids use the bathroom of their gender identity. Do you see the issue with the label? People have said that you do a lot of “me, too” posts, but I’ve never really noticed it until now. > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Well, now you know. I’m in Australia, not the US, I’m afraid. 🙂 So, your experience with conservatives would be like an American’s experiences with moderates. I’m really happy that you don’t have the radical right that we have, but it’s not too relevant to this conversation, is it? Were your conservatives overriding local bathroom laws? Passing state constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage? Unrelated to the above, I love the term “snarl word” and it describes SJW to a tee. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2017, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/220 "2017-03-21T11:45:31Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > However, a large number of the leftists I know are extremely intolerant of any view that differs from their own - often it’s not just enough to accept their view, one has to be wholeheartedly in favour of it lest one be seen as not tolerant enough or something. Exactly. The left is really quite good at beating the shit out of each other for not being \_\_\_\_\_ enough. Divide, divide, divide. It’s bullshit and we need to get the right doing the same thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=12)