# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/281 "2017-03-23T21:29:28Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > What I’m having a hard time believing is that someone as intelligent as you is arguing that pointing out tree after tree after tree after tree after tree doesn’t add up to a forest. No, I see the forest you’re talking about. I’m just not [Durkon](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0150.html). ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/282 "2017-03-23T21:33:27Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So to be considered parts of a group or movement, all the members must be in the same geographical location? So you will, of course, agree that there was no gamergate, and no tea party–just for two examples–because those people lived in different locations? Or do you just use such special pleading for groups that you share ideals with? I don’t know what gamergate is, but the tea party was acting in concert (hence “party” as part of its name) There are certainly individuals who say stupid shit here and there, but I doubt they’re acting together in most cases. You’re free to point and laugh, but I don’t get the outrage. As many have pointed out, none of this is new. We had a “Womyn’s Center” at my college, circa 1979, for example. Before that, demonstrations to keep military recruiters off campus. Racial questions have always been hot button issues. Young people, particularly, like to push limits and explore their new-found self-righteous indignation. It’s generally harmless, and sometimes provocative. The complaint about a white artist’s painting raises some interesting questions. I come down on the other side of the controversy, but I see her point, and admire her passion. I’d be happy to sit and debate her sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/283 "2017-03-23T22:19:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No, I see the forest you’re talking about. I’m just not [Durkon](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0150.html). Up until the day that some parent of one of your third graders decides that something innocuous you said was unforgivably offensive and does their best to get your fired, after which, you will learn that the forest is full of [these](http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2009/06/gympie-gympie-once-stung,-never-forgotten/). ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/284 "2017-03-23T22:27:32Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Up until the day that some parent of one of your third graders decides that something innocuous you said was unforgivably offensive and does their best to get your fired… I endorse your argument in favor of teachers’ unions and pedagogic standards. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/285 "2017-03-23T22:36:03Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So to be considered parts of a group or movement, all the members must be in the same geographical location? No, they have to be part of the group or movement. Trees, even a lot of trees, are not necessarily all part of the same forest. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/286 "2017-03-23T23:12:58Z")
So imagine that in the United States, 1% of people are real goddamn idiots (I know–bear with me a moment). Of those real goddamn idiots, 1% are far left (I SAID bear with me!). Of those far left real goddamn idiots, 1% will do something real fuckin stupid in any given month. With those assumptions, I’d expect to see about 300 far left goddamn idiots doing something real fuckin stupid every month–ten every single day. So when you’re listing a bunch of anecdotes from the past month, my reaction isn’t HOLY SHIT THE HORDES, my reaction is, that all you got? > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Up until the day that some parent of one of your third graders decides that something innocuous you said was unforgivably offensive and does their best to get your fired, after which, you will learn that the forest is full of [these](http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2009/06/gympie-gympie-once-stung,-never-forgotten/). Shit, you really want to go there? Okay, let’s go there. I’ve been teaching ten years. In that time, I’ve had one parent semi-accuse me of bias–but she clarified that she wanted me to consider my actions carefully, and I did and I decided she was wrong, and I had 100% support from my administration when I went to them. I’m on friendly terms with the parent to this day. In that time, I have never had a parent try to fire me. I haven’t seen it happen, or heard of it happening, at either of the schools I’ve taught at. I’ve not heard of it happening in my extended network of teacher friends. So no: I’m not going to be terrified of all trees because on the other side of the world there are some that sting. That would be super stupid of me. What I have done is sit through multiple trainings about how we gotta be careful about what we put on Facebook, because teachers have been fired 'round these parts for pictures showing flagrant drinking, or sexy poses, on social media. What I have done is see a posting for a custodian at a local school and fail to forward it to a friend who’s looking for cleaning work, because my friend also does fetish modeling, and I know that if that came out, not only could she face a nasty firing, but I also could be smeared by the scandal. It’s not your incredibly rare, less than one-in-a-million SJWs that worry me. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/287 "2017-03-23T23:13:57Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > She probably thinks that way because she either (a) genuinely believes in spurious drivel like ‘cultural appropriation’ and the idea that only whitey can be racist or (b) is willing to peddle those asinine shibboleths to enhance her profile. In other words, she’s either a bigot or a cynic and a fool in either case. > > Either way, the notion that a gallery should destroy a painting because images of its subject are protected by some weird creative commons licence that applies only to black people is bizarre, censorious, and racist. You’re putting a lot of gravitas into what’s really a crappy painting. Maybe because it looks like diarrhea is why they want it destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/288 "2017-03-23T23:32:24Z")
That’s the other part of the SJW thing I didn’t mention. Since it is used to attack anyone who cares about something you don’t think they should, and because it lumps so many different things under one roof, it creates this delusion that there’s some great and powerful SJW force that is causing harm to our country. I’ve seen this all the time. The SJWs are taking over. Because someone says that you should be aware that black people have problems that you don’t, it’s the same as some loony kid saying “let’s get rid of white people!” In Gamergate\* specifically, it was kinda fun watching how the fact that most of the world disagreed with them turned into some SJW conspiracy theory, including tons of secret operatives working together. It was like running into people talking about the Illuminati. What was less fun was seeing how far and wide the “SJW” stupidity spread. What was once only talked about in small bigoted circles found a following even among people I would otherwise respect. People who were as anti-racist as they could be would start using the term, not realizing where it came from and what it meant. Because it was so meaningless–anyone who was concerned about something you think is stupid–anyone could use it. And that just reinforced the delusion. If even the liberals think SJWs exist, then everything must be true. It can’t be that the term is stupid and pointless. \*The SJW term was not a Gamergate thing, BTW. It was used on 4chan long before that. It was just one of the terms they used to get people on board. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/289 "2017-03-23T23:35:09Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > No, they have to be part of the group or movement. Trees, even a lot of trees, are not necessarily all part of the same forest. I thought the thread derailing brigade used recipes and not diatribes about the forest. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/290 "2017-03-23T23:49:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I thought the thread derailing brigade used recipes and not diatribes about the forest. Hi, disingenuous fucker! A “diatribe” is a sharply abusive condemnation of a person or thing. But a “metaphor” (such as using the image of a group of disparate and unrelated trees to represent the concept of “not a fucking forest”) is a literary technique used among other things to explain and elucidate a particular relationship (or a specific phenomenological aspect of a relationship) between various elements of a proposed causal chain. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/291 "2017-03-24T00:14:05Z")
For real. Darren Garrison used this dumb metaphor to neg my intelligence. I turned it around on him in a real dorkburn, not only referencing a webcomic, but a freakin D&D webcomic. Rather than be like, “Oooh, dorkburn,” he kept stretching the metaphor to bring up, and this was really his approach, both my job and rare stinging Australian trees. You can’t blame the libs for this one, octopus. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/292 "2017-03-24T00:38:39Z")
I have a guess. I guess that most people who revel in finding so-called SJWs being stupid in general think that almost all racism, sexism, and similar isms are either mostly in the past or have never been that big of a deal to start with, so anyone talking about such isms are automatically ludicrous. And I would guess that most people who think so-called SJWs are not particularly troubling think that there is a ton of ism, that it’s pervasive if not omnipresent, that it’s a serious issue at times, and that sometimes it’s hidden in things that seem rather benign, so someone talking about such isms may be wrong or even silly but not automatically ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![random6x7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8baadc/32.png) [@random6x7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/random6x7)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/293 "2017-03-24T00:45:18Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > I think these people, in the aggregate, do considerable harm to public debate, and are, at least in part, responsible for the stratospheric rise of the “alt-right”, if for no better reason than their sheer obnoxiousness and the delight with which they revel in their double standards pushes people in the centre further rightward. This thread is designed to highlight examples of their more egregious misbehaviour in order to clarify the threat to public discourse that they pose. What I want to know is, what kind of people, when annoyed with “SJWs”, which is a small group with members from every race, decide to throw their lots in with the alt-right? Sure, I can see people moderating their own views in the face of stridency. But if a couple of irritating young people make you go full Nazi, then _you’re_ the asshole, not them. I’m also curious how SJWs manage to both turn people alt-right and force everyone to ostracize those they deem unworthy. Are there no reasonable people left besides you, **Rick Sanchez**? And how did you escape their wily clutches? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/294 "2017-03-24T00:51:33Z")
> [@random6x7](#): > > What I want to know is, what kind of people, when annoyed with “SJWs”, which is a small group with members from every race, decide to throw their lots in with the alt-right? Sure, I can see people moderating their own views in the face of stridency. But if a couple of irritating young people make you go full Nazi, then _you’re_ the asshole, not them. > > I’m also curious how SJWs manage to both turn people alt-right and force everyone to ostracize those they deem unworthy. Are there no reasonable people left besides you, **Rick Sanchez**? And how did you escape their wily clutches? The argument that makes me laugh is when someone says something offensive then says that they’d get attacked in any case so “might as well be hanged for sheep as for a lamb.” Because the point of that idiom is that you shouldn’t let the punishment stop you from _doing the thing you want to do_ because you’ll suffer the same whether you do it or not. If saying racist shit is the thing you want to do, it’s really hard to argue that you became racist because someone called you one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/295 "2017-03-24T02:13:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > …my friend also does fetish modeling… So, is that a “dress up” thing? Is there any money in it? Asking for a friend… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/296 "2017-03-24T02:29:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, is that a “dress up” thing? Is there any money in it? Asking for a friend… You’d be great at it, luci. How do you look in ropes and latex? lots of the first, a little of the second… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/297 "2017-03-24T05:17:11Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Hi, disingenuous fucker! [Moderating] Don’t call other posters “fuckers.” No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/298 "2017-03-24T06:34:01Z")
[Apparently the SJWs ruined Mass Effect: Andromeda](http://www.thejimquisition.com/metabombed-mass-effect-andromeda-is-pure-sjw-propaganda/). No, don’t ask me how that even _attempts_ to make sense. …What? If **Darren Wilson** wants to cherrypick a few inane cases of leftists going off the rails, I think it entirely reasonable to post cases of how people _actually use_ the term “SJW”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/299 "2017-03-24T08:24:37Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I have a guess. I guess that most people who revel in finding so-called SJWs being stupid in general think that almost all racism, sexism, and similar isms are either mostly in the past or have never been that big of a deal to start with, so anyone talking about such isms are automatically ludicrous. > > And I would guess that most people who think so-called SJWs are not particularly troubling think that there is a ton of ism, that it’s pervasive if not omnipresent, that it’s a serious issue at times, and that sometimes it’s hidden in things that seem rather benign, so someone talking about such isms may be wrong or even silly but not automatically ludicrous. QFT. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/300 "2017-03-24T11:48:57Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You can’t blame the libs for this one, octopus. If you are implying that I am a conservative, you are very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very wrong. To borrow a phrase from Ronald Regan(!) “I didn’t leave liberalism, liberalism left me.” I am a liberal, what I am not is an extremist nut. (If you haven’t read [this article](http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid) by a liberal professor, it may interest you.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=16)