# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/341 "2017-03-25T18:04:31Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’ve got an idea! You go around with everyone and let them know which inquiries are friendly and which are not! Problem solved! I like it! But the “inquiry” I was initially referring to was simply the scenario posited by **Martini Enfiel** d of one American asking another where they come from. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/342 "2017-03-25T19:56:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Literally every post you’ve made for the last six goddamn pages has been a variation on _“You’re an idiot for not worrying about the same things I’m worried about”_. Sure, something like that (although you’ve got it exactly backwards: I think you’re an idiot for worrying about something that’s completely not worth worrying about). That doesn’t mean I’m trying set your priorities for you. Christ, grow some thicker skin. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/343 "2017-03-25T21:42:13Z")
People telling you that you’re an idiot for yelling about a non-existent “SJW” phenomenon is not the same as trying to tell you what your priorities should be. Since SJWs do not exist as anything but a pejorative for people who care about things you think are trivial, there can be no SJW Bullshit of the Day. Trying to extend the word to mean “People who argue with me and try to change my opinions” only makes things worse. It would make you an SJW, too. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/344 "2017-03-25T21:45:56Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > People telling you that you’re an idiot for yelling about a non-existent “SJW” phenomenon is not the same as trying to tell you what your priorities should be. > > Since SJWs do not exist as anything but a pejorative for people who care about things you think are trivial SJW _is_ in fact used as a self-description. I have a couple FB friends who use that term as a self-identifier. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/345 "2017-03-25T22:04:53Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > SJW _is_ in fact used as a self-description. I have a couple FB friends who use that term as a self-identifier. Sure. Trace the history, though, and it goes something like this: 1. Two or three decades ago, it was vanishingly rare. 2. Six or seven years ago, a bunch of trolls on 4chan and reddit started using it as an insult against progressive activists. They would TOTALLY call you a SJW, by the way. 3. Gamergate erupted, and the term entered general awareness, such that it’s even found in some dictionaries as a pejorative. 4. Some folk targeted by the term were like, “WTF, this is a stupid insult,” and started self-identifying as such as a fuck you to the 4chan trolls. Their self-identification is in response to its pejorative status and in no way negates the main pejorative usage. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/346 "2017-03-25T23:07:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Their self-identification is in response to its pejorative status and in no way negates the main pejorative usage nice ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/347 "2017-03-25T23:19:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Sure. Trace the history, though, and it goes something like this: > > 1. Two or three decades ago, it was vanishingly rare. > 2. Six or seven years ago, a bunch of trolls on 4chan and reddit started using it as an insult against progressive activists. They would TOTALLY call you a SJW, by the way. > 3. Gamergate erupted, and the term entered general awareness, such that it’s even found in some dictionaries as a pejorative. > 4. Some folk targeted by the term were like, “WTF, this is a stupid insult,” and started self-identifying as such as a fuck you to the 4chan trolls. > > Their self-identification is in response to its pejorative status and in no way negates the main pejorative usage. I don’t disagree with any of this. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/348 "2017-03-26T00:05:20Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Sure. Trace the history, though, and it goes something like this: > > 1. Two or three decades ago, it was vanishingly rare. > 2. Six or seven years ago, a bunch of trolls on 4chan and reddit started using it as an insult against progressive activists. They would TOTALLY call you a SJW, by the way. > 3. Gamergate erupted, and the term entered general awareness, such that it’s even found in some dictionaries as a pejorative. > 4. Some folk targeted by the term were like, “WTF, this is a stupid insult,” and started self-identifying as such as a fuck you to the 4chan trolls. > > Their self-identification is in response to its pejorative status and in no way negates the main pejorative usage. My entire point in posting what I did was to refute the idea that it doesn’t exist other than as a perjorative. I did not mean to suggest that it negated the main negative usage. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/349 "2017-03-26T00:09:52Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > No it isn’t racist at all. Despite your passionate and poisonous rhetoric, there still isn’t any reason to suppose that a friendly inquiry about the ancestry of the person you are having a conversation with is something to be afraid of. None of us have pure origins and none of us should be concerned in the least about whose ancestors traveled where and when. > > This may be a big, exhausting problem in Japan or France, but it should not be any trouble at all for somebody who is showing sincere interest in a person that they have just met. > > And no, I’m not concerned about what your definition of Racism is; I find that the term has been trivialized enough already. Exactly. If you ask an Asian person where they’re from and they say “Melbourne”, then saying “No, where are you _really_ from?” is racist - as **Fretful Porpentine** notes. I don’t sound Australian and people ask me where I’m from all the time - I tell them “Brisbane, but I was born in New Zealand”. It’s not a racist or “otherist” question. It’s patently obvious I wasn’t born in Australia (or if I was, I’ve spent a _lot_ of time overseas) and the enquiries are always part of a friendly “getting to know you” conversation. In fact, I’ve had people express surprise that I’m from New Zealand because I’m not Maori - even in Australia, which has a huge New Zealander population. It’s bemusing but definitely not deliberately offensive or moving into Actually Racist territory. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/350 "2017-03-26T00:21:17Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You’re right, my apologies, there’s _no_ “anti-SJW” backlash against Mass Effect: Andromeda. [I’m](https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/168600-mass-effect-andromeda/75126788) [so](http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/so-mass-effect-andromeda-was-ruined-by-biowares-new-feminist-sjw-agenda-just-like-dragon-age.454914655/) [sorry](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4ywfmm/discussion_a_proper_response_to_bioware_sjw/) [for](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/5qq7mn/good_reminder_that_mass_effect_andromeda_still/) [being](http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-19/mass-effect-andromeda-sucky-animations-bigoted-designer-and-fugly-females-lead-cance) [so](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AriDHk9TB0U#t=40s) [wrong](http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/03/19/white-evil-new-mass-effect-excludes-white-character-creation-in-ongoing-sjw-assault-on-a-race/). :rolleyes: From one of your links, about how to handle Bioware’s pernicious SJW attacks on them: > [@](#): > > it’s simple : we kill the Batman. > > Batman, in this case, is the default character of Ryder as a female. Since Mass Effect will still let you choose a male version, then choose it. Choose a “white” skin, don’t engage in gay relationship and finish the game. Creating a “vanilla” version of Ryder is the best weapon to defeat the SJW rhetoric once and for all. Even if you put millions in marketing budget, even if Bioware introduce a gender neutral selection like Splatoon, even if the female version is exclusivly on the cover… we still gonna choose a white male version. > > If Bioware is too salty to release the data, EA executives and the marketing team will see it anyway. And you bet they gonna use this data to make decision in other EA games, for creative or marketing purpose. > > The goal is not to fight diversity in video games. In fact, for the past 20 years, Japanese RPG have done far more for gender diversity than SJW dev like Bioware. > > The goal is to destroy the SJW diversity dogma : that EVERY video games should be diverse or you support white supremacy. > > It is to show that if video game companies use a white heterosexual man protagonist, it’s because most players will choose such protagonist if they have a choice, regardless how the marketing sale the game. > > Even if we don’t do this campaign, it is unlikely that the data from previous game will have different results. But it is important to make a statement in order to counter SJW propaganda. So, to show that you deliberately create a vanilla Ryder, (and to add insult to injury), I suggest to name your avater “Manveer” or “Kathryn” in honor to the biggest SJW in Bioware. This is precisely the sort of naive stupid bullshit that this thread is mocking, except it’s from rightwingers instead of leftists. What clever acronym, cribbed maybe from Maoist vanguardists, would you like to adopt to mock this dude? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/351 "2017-03-26T00:30:25Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Exactly. If you ask an Asian person where they’re from and they say “Melbourne”, then saying “No, where are you _really_ from?” is racist - as **Fretful Porpentine** notes. I don’t see how that’s racist. People like to know that sort of trivia. Are your ancestors French? German? Italian? There are a zillion cultures and ethnicities all over Asia, why would someone feel uncomfortable asking or answering that? I could see that would be uncomfortable for an African American, who might not know their ancestry. But an Asian? Why? Is there something to be ashamed of? ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/352 "2017-03-26T00:31:50Z")
[skims thread] Ya know, an enterprising lazy person who wanted to start the next “Omnibus:” or “Stupid xxx of the day” thread could do worse than to just start a **“Stupid Culture Warrior Bullshit O’ the Day”** thread and do nothing but just crosspost the fine specimens from here. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/353 "2017-03-26T01:15:40Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I don’t see how that’s racist. People like to know that sort of trivia. Are your ancestors French? German? Italian? There are a zillion cultures and ethnicities all over Asia, why would someone feel uncomfortable asking or answering that? > > I could see that would be uncomfortable for an African American, who might not know their ancestry. But an Asian? Why? Is there something to be ashamed of? Despite the wide eyed innocence, I have to wonder if you actually believe that any white person is asked “where are you REALLY from” as a way to ask about ethnicity. Nor do I believe that white people in general are as easily assumed to be immigrants as non white people. I wonder why that is. To make it flat out: the question is asked 99.9% of the time as an assumption that the person you’re speaking to is an immigrant, and thus cannot be a “real” American, solely based on their skin color. Therefore, it at the very least reflects racist assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/354 "2017-03-26T03:47:52Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Despite the wide eyed innocence, I have to wonder if you actually believe that any white person is asked “where are you REALLY from” as a way to ask about ethnicity. Nor do I believe that white people in general are as easily assumed to be immigrants as non white people. I wonder why that is. > > To make it flat out: the question is asked 99.9% of the time as an assumption that the person you’re speaking to is an immigrant, and thus cannot be a “real” American, solely based on their skin color. Therefore, it at the very least reflects racist assumptions. Exactly - there’s a difference between “So, where were your family from before they came to Australia?” and “Where are you REALLY from?” The former acknowledges the other person is an Australian but expresses interest in their cultural background, the latter implies they’re not a True Blue Australian™. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/355 "2017-03-26T10:21:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Well, allow me to let the New York Times put my concerns in a language you might understand: > > [How Liberal Colleges Breed Conservative Firebrands](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/18/opinion/sunday/how-liberal-colleges-breed-conservative-firebrands.html?mwrsm=Email&_r=0). Money quote: > > _"[Mr Montz] met students who support Mr. Trump “because it’s cool to be hyper-reactionary, it makes them different,” he said. “An easy way to develop a reputation is to be super far-right. And they’re allowed to sit in their largely undercooked beliefs because they aren’t getting really serious pushback, they’re just getting garbage protest hysterics.”_ > > What you persistently (and, frankly, at this point, I believe _deliberately_) refuse to get is that the vested powers in our culture are _emboldened_ by all this censorious SJW bullshit. This kind of shrieking hysterical “opposition” is, ultimately, the same as _no_ opposition. > > But I’m done debating this shit with you. You can say what you like. I’m just going to keep posting more examples of stupid SJW bullshit. And meanwhile, how real _is_ this PC parade? How many cases are there? People still act like “trigger warnings” are this big, awful thing (without ever trying to understand what they are or what purpose they serve, mind you), and it turns out that [only 1.8% of institutions have any actual policy on them, and only about half of college professors surveyed have ever used them](http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/09/07/492979242/half-of-professors-in-npr-ed-survey-have-used-trigger-warnings). Few even _tried_ to understand what “safe space” meant before turning it into a stupid punchline on South Park. And suddenly there’s this massive anti-PC backlash based on… what, exactly? What are the widespread, systemic crimes of the “PC movement”? Is that even a thing? Does that even make the slightest bit of sense? It fucking doesn’t. The New York Times is probably right, but _man_, that’s what I call fragility. The response to a few isolated incidents of no real import is a social movement that decries even the slightest threat (even something like a story not having a white male protagonist) as this horrible thing. What the fuck? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/356 "2017-03-26T10:50:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > _"[Mr Montz] met students who support Mr. Trump “because it’s cool to be hyper-reactionary, it makes them different,” he said. “An easy way to develop a reputation is to be super far-right. And they’re allowed to sit in their largely undercooked beliefs because they aren’t getting really serious pushback, they’re just getting garbage protest hysterics.”_ Wow, sounds like you’re saying that if someone has beliefs you don’t agree with, rather than engage in garbage hysterics that just insult them with dumb labels, you ought to engage them in serious conversation. Interesting point! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/357 "2017-03-26T16:36:50Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > There’s a reasonable argument to be made based on the social context in which that term is currently used, yes. Possibly retarded. > [@](#): > > Anywhere where white people are hegemonic or have been recently enough that the lingering affects of that hegemony are still pronounced, this is indisputably true. Definitely retarded. And racist. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/358 "2017-03-26T17:31:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Possibly retarded. > > Definitely retarded. > > And racist. So you don’t know what you’re talking about? Being uninformed isn’t something to be proud of, you know. You can start to fix your problem, though, by acknowledging the problem with ableist language and refraining from using it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/359 "2017-03-26T18:59:37Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > So you don’t know what you’re talking about? > > Being uninformed isn’t something to be proud of, you know. > > You can start to fix your problem, though, by acknowledging the problem with ableist language and refraining from using it in the future. Uninformed? Claiming only whites can be racist is racist. Ableist? For using retarded to mean stupid? Well then any negative word that applies to one’s mental ability such as uniformed, stupid, dumb, ignorant, are ableist as well. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/360 "2017-03-26T20:50:37Z")
I don’t much like “ableist” either. People who lack a decent regard for the misfortunes of others simply lack respectful empathy, that there go you or I. They neither need nor deserve a special nomination, it is not an ideology, it is an emptiness. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=19)