# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/661 "2017-04-17T20:42:16Z")
Folks like Budget Player Cadet who advocate violence for merely speaking contribute to the environment where people are assaulted by anarchists for exercising free speech. [Trump supporter smashed in the head with U-Lock by masked Antifa Thug in Berkeley - YouTube](https://youtu.be/9qKCl9NL1Cg) I note DerekMichaels is banned for advocating violence on people who he disagreed with. I wonder if BPC will be sanctioned for “jokingly” wishing death on others. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/662 "2017-04-17T20:54:05Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Then what is the point of them speaking at a university? Yes, I agree, it _would_ be better if we didn’t automatically treat the position of someone speaking, or the venue they’re speaking at, as some indicator of quality. However, if speaking at universities didn’t improve someone’s clout, I doubt they’d seek it out. The point of having them speak is twofold: 1. Students should be exposed to opinions that have influence in the world, no matter how scurrilous and vile those opinions. 2. Cats need sofas to sharpen their claws on. Treat Milo as the sofa to your intellect. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/663 "2017-04-17T20:54:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Folks like Budget Player Cadet who advocate violence for merely speaking Now when did I do that? :rolleyes: Please, by all means, let’s see the quote. > [@](#): > > I note DerekMichaels is banned for advocating violence on people who he disagreed with. I wonder if BPC will be sanctioned for “jokingly” wishing death on others. Hey, I’ll make it easier for you to report me. If I saw a member of the Schutzstaffel back in '43, and I had a gun, and I knew I would get away with it, I’d cap the fucker. There, advocating violence on people I disagree with - specifically: nazis. I welcome you to report me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/664 "2017-04-17T21:21:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The point of having them speak is twofold: > > 1. Students should be exposed to opinions that have influence in the world, no matter how scurrilous and vile those opinions. That’s silly. Students are exposed to vile opinions all the damned time. There can be places that try not to emulate the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/665 "2017-04-17T22:20:48Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Now when did I do that? :rolleyes: Please, by all means, let’s see the quote. These two posts by you are less than 8 hours apart. That’s either some mighty willful ignorance, or you might want to consider seeing a doctor about possible memory loss. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Personally I happen to think fire works a lot better. We should disinfect Milo Yiannopolous with fire. Set him on fire. With gasoline. _Do it now_. It’s pretty hard to read this as anything other than you advocating violence and/or death against Milo. I think it’s the italics that really sell it. You really sound like you want to watch him burn. OTOH, I think Octopus is over reacting, as I don’t think you really have the balls to do it. I’d bet good money that I could douse Milo with gas and hand you the lighter and you’d wimp out. Much like SJW’s, who are IMO also mostly hot air. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/666 "2017-04-17T22:36:01Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > These two posts by you are less than 8 hours apart. That’s either some mighty willful ignorance, or you might want to consider seeing a doctor about possible memory loss. > > It’s pretty hard to read this as anything other than you advocating violence and/or death against Milo. I think it’s the italics that really sell it. You really sound like you want to watch him burn. > > OTOH, I think Octopus is over reacting, as I don’t think you really have the balls to do it. I’d bet good money that I could douse Milo with gas and hand you the lighter and you’d wimp out. Much like SJW’s, who are IMO also mostly hot air. Overreacting? I’m more concerned with the double standard with regards to tolerance of hate speech if the target is not a leftist or a pet class. We just had someone quickly warned and banned for practically the same sort of comment. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/667 "2017-04-17T22:37:16Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Folks like Budget Player Cadet who advocate violence for merely speaking contribute to the environment where people are assaulted by anarchists for exercising free speech. [https://youtu.be/9qKCl9NL1Cg](https://youtu.be/9qKCl9NL1Cg) Violence is bad, and we should condemn it when it happens, lest we end up like right wing extremists, who by far commit the majority of political violence in the United States. And when I say that right wing extremists commit by far the majority of political violence in the United States, and are a bigger threat to this country than ISIS, I’m not excusing violent left wingers, even though extremist right wingers commit by far the majority of the actual political violence in the Untied States. If we’re not careful to condemn violence in the left wing when we see it, they might end up like right wing extremists, who commit by far the majority of political violence in the United States, and are a bigger threat to this country than ISIS. Some people might protest that by focusing on the tiny minority of political violence committed by left wing extremists, we’re losing focus on the primary threat to this country, which is right wing extremist political violence. But I disagree. Even though right wing extremists commit by far more political violence than left wing extremists, that doesn’t mean we should let slide the tiny minority of political violence committed by the left wing. If we ignore the tiny minority of violence committed by left wing extremists, it might get out of control, and they would become a true danger to this country, like right wing political extremists are now. To summarize, right wing political extremists commit the majority of political violence in this country, and are a bigger threat to this country than ISIS. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/668 "2017-04-17T22:40:39Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Violence is bad, and we should condemn it when it happens, lest we end up like right wing extremists, who by far commit the majority of political violence in the United States. > > And when I say that right wing extremists commit by far the majority of political violence in the United States, and are a bigger threat to this country than ISIS, I’m not excusing violent left wingers, even though extremist right wingers commit by far the majority of the actual political violence in the Untied States. > > If we’re not careful to condemn violence in the left wing when we see it, they might end up like right wing extremists, who commit by far the majority of political violence in the United States, and are a bigger threat to this country than ISIS. > > Some people might protest that by focusing on the tiny minority of political violence committed by left wing extremists, we’re losing focus on the primary threat to this country, which is right wing extremist political violence. But I disagree. Even though right wing extremists commit by far more political violence than left wing extremists, that doesn’t mean we should let slide the tiny minority of political violence committed by the left wing. If we ignore the tiny minority of violence committed by left wing extremists, it might get out of control, and they would become a true danger to this country, like right wing political extremists are now. > > To summarize, right wing political extremists commit the majority of political violence in this country, and are a bigger threat to this country than ISIS. Right wing violence is bad and is noted as such when it occurs. It’s not defended as stupid college “kids” acting stupidly. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/669 "2017-04-17T22:45:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Right wing violence is bad and is noted as such when it occurs. It’s not defended as stupid college “kids” acting stupidly. Right, and college kids should be taught not to use mean words or get in the occasional slap fight, else they might graduate to dirty bombs and armed militias murdering law enforcement officers, like right wing extremists. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/670 "2017-04-17T23:45:27Z")
> [@](#): > > To summarize, right wing political extremists commit the majority of political violence in this country, and are a bigger threat to this country than ISIS. QFT and thank you for being crystal clear 😉 ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/671 "2017-04-18T00:49:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Bullshit. We’ve already had this conversation – why bother trying to spread this bullshit again? Some small number of assholes on the left (and on the right, for that matter) use violence to suppress speech. This doesn’t reflect any more on “the left” as a whole than it does on the right. Wow, talk bout bullshit. This is a tactic of the left. Try googling something like “college students shut down speaker”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/672 "2017-04-18T01:14:41Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > This is a tactic of the left. Try googling something like “college students shut down speaker”. :dubious: How many hits on such a search would actually involve instances of “using **violence** to suppress speech”, as clearly specified in the post you were replying to? Leave those goalposts where they are, please. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/673 "2017-04-18T04:06:22Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > These two posts by you are less than 8 hours apart. That’s either some mighty willful ignorance, or you might want to consider seeing a doctor about possible memory loss. “Merely speaking” being the operative words. But hey. First: it’s a joke. Second: Milo does more than just “talk”. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/674 "2017-04-18T08:26:09Z")
As I said, they have to reach. Since most people don’t advocate violence, they have to deliberately misinterpret figures of speech or jokes. The thing is, there actually is a discussion to be had on these topics, but it cannot happen here where people are just trying to come up with an excuse to vilify the “SJWs.” We can’t actually discuss when violence is or is not appropriate. Because it will always be interpreted as “Liberals support violence on people who disagree with them,” which is utterly untrue. As you point out, even given that what you said was obvious hyperbole, Yiannopoulos has done a whole lot more than just speak. Does that mean actual violence is justified? Clearly not. But pretending it’s all about speech is how these types of right wingers vilify the left. And, even if you completely disagree with me, this does show why we absolutely cannot have a “Stupid SJW of the Day” thread here. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/675 "2017-04-18T08:35:50Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > As you point out, even given that what you said was obvious hyperbole, Yiannopoulos has done a whole lot more than just speak. Does that mean actual violence is justified? Clearly not. I dunno, the way he [targeted that one transgender student for specific harassment apropos of fucking nothing](http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2016/12/14/breitbart-writer-targets-transgender-uwm-student/95420206/) is getting right up there. He pulled a similarly disgusting stunt towards a transgender video game journalist a while back as well. You’d think “actual violence” in the sense of “the state getting on his case for harassment” would be entirely justified. Personally, I’d say “actual violence” in the sense of “at least one good, firm kick to the taint” would be similarly justified. I would like to see Milo face some goddamn consequences for the harm he’s done, and not just for saying some sketchy shit about pedophilia. Is that really so wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/676 "2017-04-18T10:45:24Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > That’s silly. Students are exposed to vile opinions all the damned time. There can be places that try not to emulate the internet. I didn’t say they should be exposed to vile opinions; I said they should be exposed to **influential** opinions. Vileness only entered into it as a description of what shouldn’t be forbidden. An influential, vile opinion needs to have folks equipped to rebut it in a clear, rational, and incontrovertible fashion. College students should learn the necessary skills; and just as your body learns to fight off polio by receiving a small, neutered dose of the disease, so should college kids learn to fight off shitty influential opinions by encountering them in a neutered environment. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/677 "2017-04-18T11:06:16Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > An influential, vile opinion needs to have folks equipped to rebut it in a clear, rational, and incontrovertible fashion. College students should learn the necessary skills; and just as your body learns to fight off polio by receiving a small, neutered dose of the disease, so should college kids learn to fight off shitty influential opinions by encountering them in a neutered environment. Vile opinions are thick on the ground, and none of them are rebuttable. You cannot reason someone out of misogyny. You cannot reason someone out of racism, or anti-Semitism. You cannot reason someone out of homophobia or transphobia. These things don’t exist because no one has ever tried to get rid of them. They aren’t reasoned opinions. If Hitler were giving a speech on a campus, he’d gain recruits. It wouldn’t matter what you said afterward. And it absolutely legitimizes opinions to give them a stage and a microphone. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/678 "2017-04-18T11:26:48Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > And it absolutely legitimizes opinions to give them a stage and a microphone. And the media brouhaha resulting from _not_ giving them a stage and a microphone (after the inevitable social media shitstorm) is likely to give them even more coverage than if people had just boycotted the speaker but let them take the stage. The lesser of the two evils is to let the person speak. No matter how reprehensible their views, no matter how much you disagree with them. Trying to prevent them airing their views only reinforces the “See? THEY are trying to stop me from speaking THE TRUTH!” mentality. And that’s assuming we’re dealing with views universally acknowledged to be abhorrent, like Holocaust Denial or supporting slavery. It’s an entirely different - and very slippery - kettle of fish when we start getting into stuff that’s not necessarily inherently evil/objectionable, just “politically incorrect” or an unpopular view. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/679 "2017-04-18T11:49:00Z")
That kind of argument, though, is a little hard for some people to trust, though. Often I’ve seen it when they personally are the ones who’d be negatively affected by some of these points of view. Some have only heard that argument from people who ARE actually Nazis or whatever, and some have heard it from people who with the same breath, say, heavily criticize Colin Kaepernick for kneeling during the national anthem. IOW, it’s so easily used as a reasonable sounding veil by those who just want to recruit people into “alt right” beliefs that it’s tough to countenance, even if the speaker is being sincere. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/680 "2017-04-18T11:57:36Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Vile opinions are thick on the ground, and none of them are rebuttable. You cannot reason someone out of misogyny. You cannot reason someone out of racism, or anti-Semitism. You cannot reason someone out of homophobia or transphobia. > > These things don’t exist because no one has ever tried to get rid of them. They aren’t reasoned opinions. > > If Hitler were giving a speech on a campus, he’d gain recruits. It wouldn’t matter what you said afterward. > > And it absolutely legitimizes opinions to give them a stage and a microphone. [Sartre said it well too](https://twitter.com/tragicgay/status/800910836894081024?lang=en). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=35)