# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/681 "2017-04-18T12:01:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Wow, talk bout bullshit. This is a tactic of the left. Try googling something like “college students shut down speaker”. If it’s a “tactic of the left” it’s also a “tactic of the right”. More accurately, it’s a tactic of extremists on both sides. And nothing I said conflicts with the fact that some college students are assholes and idiots and have done dumb things. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/682 "2017-04-18T12:06:49Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Vile opinions are thick on the ground, and none of them are rebuttable. You cannot reason someone out of misogyny. You cannot reason someone out of racism, or anti-Semitism. You cannot reason someone out of homophobia or transphobia. You might not be able to reason the speaker out of them, but you might reason some folks listening from going down that path in the first place. > [@](#): > > And it absolutely legitimizes opinions to give them a stage and a microphone. My argument is that it legitimizes them more to shout them down: doing so, in the minds of their potential recruits ,makes them look dangerous and courageous, and makes leftists look like they’re afraid of the ideas. It’s not a good or effective approach, and if there’s any lesson for us to learn from Milo’s nasty antics, that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/683 "2017-04-18T13:19:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If it’s a “tactic of the left” it’s also a “tactic of the right”. …and the beards have all grown longer overnight. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/684 "2017-04-18T13:26:15Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > …and the beards have all grown longer overnight. I’m afraid I don’t get this reference. EDIT: Oh yeah, the Who song. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/685 "2017-04-18T15:34:09Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Vile opinions are thick on the ground, and none of them are rebuttable. You cannot reason someone out of misogyny. You cannot reason someone out of racism, or anti-Semitism. You cannot reason someone out of homophobia or transphobia. > > These things don’t exist because no one has ever tried to get rid of them. They aren’t reasoned opinions. > > If Hitler were giving a speech on a campus, he’d gain recruits. It wouldn’t matter what you said afterward. > > And it absolutely legitimizes opinions to give them a stage and a microphone. So what? What’s sad is how weak support for liberty actually is. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/686 "2017-04-18T15:39:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So what? > > What’s sad is how weak support for liberty actually is. What in the post you responded to is anti-liberty? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/687 "2017-04-18T15:51:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What in the post you responded to is anti-liberty? Being afraid of free speech to the extent that a microphone and stage are some scary amplifier that the unwashed masses, completely devoid of independent thought, should be sheltered from by their intellectual superiors. I wonder how jsgoddess feels about free speech on the internet? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/688 "2017-04-18T15:54:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Being afraid of free speech to the extent that a microphone and stage are some scary amplifier that the unwashed masses, completely devoid of independent thought, should be sheltered from by their intellectual superiors. I wonder how jsgoddess feels about free speech on the internet? That’s not what **jsgoddess** said. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/689 "2017-04-18T16:05:45Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So what? > > What’s sad is how weak support for liberty actually is. Yes, the demand that we give hate speakers a platform and a microphone is pretty anti-liberty. They could get their own, but since you demand that we give it to them, it makes it appear as though we endorse their hate. To demand that we give such vile creatures a platform to spew their vile is a very authoritarian attitude of you. Why do you hate freedom? ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/690 "2017-04-18T18:18:03Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > “Merely speaking” being the operative words. But hey. First: it’s a joke. We both know that it’s not, you’re just smart enough to not admit that you really mean it. Also, all of you who are arguing against free speech are fucking short-sighted idiots. If you deny to anyone else the right to say what you think is wrong, it will not be long before you will lose the right to say what you think is right. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/691 "2017-04-18T18:19:12Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > We both know that it’s not, you’re just smart enough to not admit that you really mean it. > > Also, all of you who are arguing against free speech are fucking short-sighted idiots. If you deny to anyone else the right to say what you think is wrong, it will not be long before you will lose the right to say what you think is right. Who, exactly, is arguing against free speech? ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/692 "2017-04-18T18:22:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who, exactly, is arguing against free speech? Shutting down “hate” speech is the same as arguing against free speech in my books. I leave actually reading the thread and noting who does that as an exercise to the reader. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/693 "2017-04-18T18:29:05Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Shutting down “hate” speech is the same as arguing against free speech in my books. I leave actually reading the thread and noting who does that as an exercise to the reader. What does “shutting down” mean? Is peacefully protesting a speaker “shutting down” free speech if it results in an invitation being withdrawn? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/694 "2017-04-18T18:32:27Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Shutting down “hate” speech is the same as arguing against free speech in my books. I leave actually reading the thread and noting who does that as an exercise to the reader. Arguing against a protest against hate speach is the same thing as arguing against free speech in my books. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/695 "2017-04-18T18:34:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who, exactly, is arguing against free speech? Well, for one example: Jennifer Lawrence: [“It should be illegal to call somebody fat on TV.”](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/jennifer-lawrences-rallying-call-it-should-be-illegal-to-call-someone-fat-on-tv-9012574.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/696 "2017-04-18T18:37:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Well, for one example: > > Jennifer Lawrence: [“It should be illegal to call somebody fat on TV.”](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/jennifer-lawrences-rallying-call-it-should-be-illegal-to-call-someone-fat-on-tv-9012574.html) I meant who in this thread. That a celeb said something dumb shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/697 "2017-04-18T18:47:12Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Yes, the demand that we give hate speakers a platform and a microphone is pretty anti-liberty. > > They could get their own, but since you demand that we give it to them, it makes it appear as though we endorse their hate. > > To demand that we give such vile creatures a platform to spew their vile is a very authoritarian attitude of you. Why do you hate freedom? That’s not the argument at all. Don’t be dishonest. The argument is against using violence to prevent _invited_ speakers from speaking. It’s amazing how twisted and dishonest many on the left are when it comes to discussing an issue. Sad. It’s also amazing the hypocrisy with regards to the tolerance of calls to violence, “jokingly”, of course, that the board tolerates. More Sad! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/698 "2017-04-18T18:48:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Arguing against a protest against hate speach is the same thing as arguing against free speech in my books. So you are equating the illegal actions of violent protesters with talking now? You can’t be that dumb. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/699 "2017-04-18T18:56:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Is peacefully protesting a speaker “shutting down” free speech if it results in an invitation being withdrawn? Yes, censorship is the same whether it is caused by an authoritarian at the top or by the tyranny of the mob. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Arguing against a protest against hate speach is the same thing as arguing against free speech in my books. Look, it’s one of the short-sighted morons I was talking about. When they come and silence you using the exact same logic that you use here, don’t be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/700 "2017-04-18T19:02:10Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Look, it’s one of the short-sighted morons I was talking about. When they come and silence you using the exact same logic that you use here, don’t be surprised. So your answer is to silence people from protesting? How do you square that with your expressed reverence for free speech? You are literally telling people they shouldn’t be allowed to speak up for what they feel is right. Logic seems to be pretty separated from this discussion right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=36)