# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/801 "2017-04-19T20:45:49Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > No, we’re not. When a process produces bad outcomes, I oppose it. When it produces good outcomes, I support it. And there’s no inconsistency there, because processes have no moral relevance, only outcomes do. It’s no more inconsistent than using a hammer when you want to pound a nail but then putting it down and picking up a saw when you want to cut a board. Wow, you couldn’t be more off. I said the _principe_ should apply, not the tool. You’re saying the opposite. The principle you’ve inadvertently put forth in your example is, “It’s best to use the right tool for the job.” You’re example ignores any principle except maybe one has never considered, “Use a hammer all the time”. But I love the fact that you’re arguing for being short-sighted is something to champion. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/802 "2017-04-19T21:01:57Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Why can’t the police arrest those that are in the latter category and leave the peaceful ones be, if they aren’t causing any problems. If they can, that’s preferable. But what the cops are usually dealing with oil these situation is a mob. That is a difficult organism to control. But I am 100% for using overwhelming force to quash a mob doing bad things. > [@Airbeck](#): > > Why do the peaceful people need to disperse? What charges would you have the police file against them? Standing in the vicinity of someone else breaking a law? If 100 people are peacefully protesting and then one asshole breaks a window, why not just arrest the window breaker. Why the automatic jump to dispersing the whole crowd due to one person committing a bad act? I am not a lawyer, but I think there is some order cops can give to disperse a crowd. But in your example, I would prefer to arrest the one window-breaker. But what if it’s 25 window breakers in a crowd of 50? And the vandals are trying to hide among the crowd and the crowd is trying to protect them? On one of the spectrum we have your 1 window-breaker, not he other end you have a mob run amok doing damage, even if not every individual is actually doing the damage. I agree with you on the first scenario. Not sure where, or if, we disagree on the other end of the spectrum. > [@Airbeck](#): > > All throughout this thread I keep seeing peaceful protesters being conflated with people committing violent and illegal acts. The two groups are constantly being talked about as one thing by the pro Milo people but they are not. I think its just a tactic to justify shutting down all protests that are in favor of something you don’t like. Just blame the entire group for the sins of a few. Doesn’t seem in line with the Constitution if you ask me. I have zero problems with peaceful protestors. Zero. I have a big problem with people who commit acts of violence or physically intimidate others. Is the two groups each kept to themselves, we might be in agreement on how to best handle each. But that is rarely the case. That’s what the asshole contingent counts on. And the peaceful crowd is complicit—some unwittingly, some wittingly. If the left embraced the principles they’ve been spouting for 65 years, they would disavow the cowardly ironically-named antifa scumbags and demand that any protestor not where a face covering of any type. Until them, we’re stuck with a mob where it’s difficult to separate the act of the mob from the acts of individuals. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/803 "2017-04-19T21:05:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Right, because Mitch McConnell is a man of deep principle and integrity, who never would have gotten rid of the SC filibuster if Democrats hadn’t gotten rid of the one for other judges. Go ahead, pull the other one. I’m missing what this has do to with Harry Reid’s decision. And what anyone MIGHT have done IF Harry Reid didn’t act so short-sightedly is pure conjecture. I don’t think McConnell would have used the nuclear option, but I don’t know for sure. And guess what? Neither do you. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/804 "2017-04-19T21:18:24Z")
> [@PigArcher](#): > > You’ve heard of Gamergate, right? I’ve heard of it. That’s about it. I think there was a woman gamer/coder involved, or something. That’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/805 "2017-04-19T21:25:23Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m missing what this has do to with Harry Reid’s decision. > > And what anyone MIGHT have done IF Harry Reid didn’t act so short-sightedly is pure conjecture. I don’t think McConnell would have used the nuclear option, but I don’t know for sure. And guess what? Neither do you. Harry Reid made the right move – for one thing, it allowed tons of held up nominations that otherwise wouldn’t have gone through. For another, it greatly increases the likelihood of the loss of the legislative filibuster, which in the long run will help the Democratic party. And lastly, increasing partisanship meant that even the judicial filibuster was doomed anyway. Collegiality in the Senate is dead. Maybe it will come back some day, but not in the present political environment. There’s no point tying your hands when your opponents probably won’t be tying theirs. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/806 "2017-04-19T21:25:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’ve heard of it. That’s about it. I think there was a woman gamer/coder involved, or something. That’s about it. You might look into it some time. Reactionary right wingers trying to shut down discussion of issues they didn’t like with harassment and threats of violence, largely directed at women in the game industry. Milo was one of the ringleaders. Far, far worse than any of the trivial examples of non-violent campus protesters offered up in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/807 "2017-04-19T21:32:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m missing what this has do to with Harry Reid’s decision. None of it has anything to do with Harry Reid’s decision. You get pissy about my speculation about what he would have done had Reid decided differently; consider me just as contemptuous of your speculation that he took his actions because of Reid’s. We can both agree that McConnell’s actions weren’t spurred by Reid’s, and move on, right? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/808 "2017-04-19T21:40:22Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > None of it has anything to do with Harry Reid’s decision. You get pissy about my speculation about what he would have done had Reid decided differently; consider me just as contemptuous of your speculation that he took his actions because of Reid’s. We can both agree that McConnell’s actions weren’t spurred by Reid’s, and move on, right? I guess that’s why so many Dems have said they regret what Reid did. And no, we don’t agree. I do think McConnell did what he did since Reid had already changed the rules on later court justices. What we hopefully CAN agree on is that neither of us KNOW if McConnell would have done what he did if Reid hadn’t changed the rules earlier. Whew. Glad we cleared that up. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/809 "2017-04-19T21:43:02Z")
> [@PigArcher](#): > > You might look into it some time. Reactionary right wingers trying to shut down discussion of issues they didn’t like with harassment and threats of violence, largely directed at women in the game industry. Milo was one of the ringleaders. Far, far worse than any of the trivial examples of non-violent campus protesters offered up in this thread. Threats of violence are never okay, and the authorities should act when they occur. I’ll admit to being a bit suspect of the term “ringleader”. I’d have to know what he’d id specifically, but don’t have time know to immerse myself into the issue. I do know there was a similar charge made about his role talking about Leslie Jones, And I think he was treated unfairly there. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/810 "2017-04-19T21:45:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Harry Reid made the right move – for one thing, it allowed tons of held up nominations that otherwise wouldn’t have gone through. For another, it greatly increases the likelihood of the loss of the legislative filibuster, which in the long run will help the Democratic party. And lastly, increasing partisanship meant that even the judicial filibuster was doomed anyway. > > Collegiality in the Senate is dead. Maybe it will come back some day, but not in the present political environment. There’s no point tying your hands when your opponents probably won’t be tying theirs. Okay. But from what I can tell, most Dem pols disagree with that and have stated that they regret Reid’s move. If you don’t good for you. And good for McConnell, right? At least some good came of all of this and we now have Gorsuch in a SC robe. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/811 "2017-04-19T21:45:40Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Once again, > > And who would those people be? In this thread, who has advocated threatening people with fire? > > Shutting down peaceful protesters is also suppression by the way. > > You are just for a different kind of free speech banning it seems. It seems like you are misreading or are dishonestly portraying my position. Not once did I say peaceful and law abiding protesters should be suppressed. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/812 "2017-04-19T21:46:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Just point out some examples in this thread. We’ve already had several discussions in which it’s clear we were interpreting various things differently – show me the posts you’re interpreting as wanting to shut down and ban speech. Doesn’t making speech illegal mean suppression? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/813 "2017-04-19T22:09:26Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Okay. But from what I can tell, most Dem pols disagree with that and have stated that they regret Reid’s move. If you don’t good for you. And good for McConnell, right? At least some good came of all of this and we now have Gorsuch in a SC robe. Some disagree, some agree. And that’s just publicly. As for Gorsuch, he was inevitable once Trump was elected. Yes, good for McConnell. And good for the Democrats when they regain power, get rid of the legislative filibuster, and pass universal health care, increased minimum wage, and many other things that will be very popular with the public and even harder to repeal than the ACA. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/814 "2017-04-19T22:10:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Doesn’t making speech illegal mean suppression? Who wants to do this? Maybe I’ve missed it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/815 "2017-04-19T22:27:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who wants to do this? Maybe I’ve missed it. BudgetPlayerCadet for one. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/816 "2017-04-19T23:00:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > At least some good came of all of this and we now have Gorsuch in a SC robe. That does not compute. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/817 "2017-04-19T23:06:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > BudgetPlayerCadet for one. Aside from the joke about burning, which post? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/818 "2017-04-20T00:14:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Aside from the joke about burning, which post? I’m on mobile device so I’m not about to bother with multi quotes from several posts. But check out the mentioning German law with regards to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and how that’s a good model. Those are only a few posts up. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/819 "2017-04-20T01:03:33Z")
Here is Jordan Peterson’s explanation of the mob that shouted him down: “I can tell you a little about why these attempts to shut down people are being made. As far as I have been able to determine this kind of protest is an expression of a philosophy that is grounded partly in post-modernism and partly in Marxism. Now the post-modern element is basically this- there is no such thing as genuine individual identity, what there is is group identity. And you, like it or not, only have the interests of your group. And the whole world is nothing but a battleground between groups of different interests. There is no dialogue, there is no possibility of talking between the groups, it’s just a power stage where combat has to take place. So the reason that speakers with whom the radical post modernists and Marxists don’t agree are denied a platform is because those people do not believe, from a philosophical position, that dialogue can bring consensus. All that is left if you forego that particular principle is this (referring to the angry mob trying to keep him from being heard). And this is only where it starts.” Taken from [this video.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1QTLcx_InFk) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/820 "2017-04-20T01:25:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m on mobile device so I’m not about to bother with multi quotes from several posts. But check out the mentioning German law with regards to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and how that’s a good model. Those are only a few posts up. :dubious: > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > > [@octopus](#): > > > > Ohh the scary neo-Nazis! Well, I’m fine with them speaking. Just as I’m fine with nutty religious people speaking. And no, people don’t lose credibility advocating freedom of speech you dimwit. People lose credibility when they are hysterical hypocrites. > > There’s nothing hypocritical about expecting your right to speak to end where you start saying, “[Maybe we should talk more about whether black genocide is a good idea, and if so, how we would do it](https://twitter.com/blackautonomist/status/822818627523117056?lang=en)”. The specific quote is not directly from Richard Spencer, but it was published in a magazine he runs. It’s entirely possible to have both free speech and reasonable limits on what you can say in the public sphere. _Especially_ if we’re talking about a venue like a goddamn university. > > Or, to put it another way, many western democracies - [in fact, _most_ western democracies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial) - have specific laws against denying the holocaust. Is France a country without free speech? Germany? Belgium? Austria? Australia? > > > [@](#): > > > > Plus if you paid attention in history class you’d remember the Nazis, communists, etc didn’t rise to power by debating their opponents. They rose to power through violence, intimidation, and the violation of the rights of others. Ironic isn’t it. > > They didn’t debate. They had no use for debate. But they sure as hell spoke. Hitler won over a third of the german electorate before the Machtergreifung - in a pluralistic system like they had in Weimar, that’s a pretty substantial number. And they rose to that level of power in no small part because they were able to spread their ideas, and because debate and discussion were worthless tools against prejudice and hatred. Nowadays, in Germany, if a party goes in that direction, we ban that party. Because we are not repeating that mistake. The country is better off for it. The fact that the overton window is fixed firmly in a position _against_ fascism by law is a good thing. > > > [@](#): > > > > And what’s with antifa types dressing as they were doing live action D&D? Dude had a trash can lid for a shield. Lol. [x.com](https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/854475945402552320/video/1) > > Two words: “based stickman”. :rolleyes: What part of that means “banning speech is a good idea”? It’s about keeping prejudiced dunderheads out of power. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=42)