# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/901 "2017-05-02T22:17:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The problem is that you’re not looking at the issues via the special Decoder Ring. Here’s a quick explanation for those who haven’t drunk enough Ovaltine yet: > > Hatred of Whites = acknowledging the existence of racism > Hatred of Heterosexuals = acknowledging the existence of homophobia > Hatred of Men = acknowledging the existence of sexism > Victimhood Glamorization = any suggestion that victims of racism, sexism or homophobia should be taken remotely seriously > Free Speech Silencing = pointing out when people say bigoted things > Viewpoint Discrimination = pointing out when people say bigoted things > Character Assassination = pointing out when people say bigoted things > Violence = responding back when someone hits you That’s not event close to true but I haven’t the time at present to get into a rebuttal - which, let’s be fair, would likely be ignored anyway. > [@](#): > > See, what you have to realize is that when SJWs like you say - out loud in public - that some straight white men have done bad things to people who weren’t straight, white and/or men, that hurts the feelings of all straight white men everywhere. Which is clearly the worst possible crime, and why SJWs are so loathed. I mean, I think we can agree that when the time comes to choose between, say, “saying that women shouldn’t be subject to threats of rape, violence and death against them and their entire families merely for daring to suggest that sexism is bad” and “not hurting the feelings of straight white men”, the right choice is clear to all of us. Firstly, I don’t think any sensible person would choose option B in your last example and there’s obviously far more to that story. Secondly, it’s not acknowleding Group A has done shitty things in the past to Group B, it saying that because _some_ people in Group A did shitty things to people in Group B back in the past, _everyone_ in Group A is a horrible, horrible person who should apologise for existing - even if the people from Group B are pretty much non-existent in the area, so it’s actually people from Group C being offended on behalf of the almost hypothetical members of Group B. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/902 "2017-05-03T09:49:16Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > That’s not event close to true but I haven’t the time at present to get into a rebuttal - which, let’s be fair, would likely be ignored anyway. Mmm… delicious well poison… > [@](#): > > Firstly, I don’t think any sensible person would choose option B in your last example and there’s obviously far more to that story. With regard to Gamergate, there really wasn’t that much more to the story. Even here, there were plenty of people insisting that it was the fault of the women for not taking into account the feelings of all men when calling out the ones engaged in abusive behavior, as if men’s hurt feelings were more important that actual death threats. > [@](#): > > Secondly, it’s not acknowleding Group A has done shitty things in the past to Group B, it saying that because _some_ people in Group A did shitty things to people in Group B back in the past, _everyone_ in Group A is a horrible, horrible person who should apologise for existing - even if the people from Group B are pretty much non-existent in the area, so it’s actually people from Group C being offended on behalf of the almost hypothetical members of Group B. And yet my personal experience is that “person from Group B says that _some_ people in Group A are doing shitty things to people from Group B _right now_, and then other people in Group A - who may not even have been the ones referred to by Group B - act as if the initial accusation was aimed at \*\*all \*\*members of Group A and lash out at the initial accuser (and sometimes all members of Group B) and demand that their hurt feelings be addressed before the original - and much more substantive - issue is dealt with”. That’s the reality that keeps getting handwaved away. Group C gets involved because Group A members tend to dismiss anything Group B members say. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/903 "2017-05-03T20:23:23Z")
Ok, can someone clarify my understanding here? Whenever I see or hear “SJW” used, it seems to translate literally to “a person who feels that jigaboos, fairies, wetbacks, dykes, slopes, tree huggers, atheists and such like deserve to be treated with the same respect as decent god-fearing white folk”. It appears to wrap up every bigothet within it, the words that the user desperately wants to be able to freely pepper their language with were it not for the goddam PC-Patrol. So, how am I to see or hear “SJW” and not instantly think that the person using it is an utterly loathsome shitbag? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/904 "2017-05-03T20:55:40Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Ok, can someone clarify my understanding here? Whenever I see or hear “SJW” used, it seems to translate literally to “a person who feels that jigaboos, fairies, wetbacks, dykes, slopes, tree huggers, atheists and such like deserve to be treated with the same respect as decent god-fearing white folk”. It appears to wrap up every bigothet within it, the words that the user desperately wants to be able to freely pepper their language with were it not for the goddam PC-Patrol. > > So, how am I to see or hear “SJW” and not instantly think that the person using it is an utterly loathsome shitbag? Be careful not to trigger the special snowflakes. You know that referring to them as bigots could trigger their delicate sensibilities, and cause them to do something irrational, like vote for trump. Likewise calling them loathsome or shitbag. The PC term is Anti-Social Injustice Cowards. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/905 "2017-05-03T22:19:49Z")
The Trumpenprole. ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/906 "2017-05-03T22:28:31Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Ok, can someone clarify my understanding here? Whenever I see or hear “SJW” used, it seems to translate literally to “a person who feels that jigaboos, fairies, wetbacks, dykes, slopes, tree huggers, atheists and such like deserve to be treated with the same respect as decent god-fearing white folk”. It appears to wrap up every bigothet within it, the words that the user desperately wants to be able to freely pepper their language with were it not for the goddam PC-Patrol. > > So, how am I to see or hear “SJW” and not instantly think that the person using it is an utterly loathsome shitbag? You know, for a brief window there, and I was undoubtedly lagging behind the times, it seemed like the term Social Justice Warrior was vaguely useful to describe a certain sort of person in certain situations. Remember that old graphic that went around which humorously reminded people not to get embroiled in usenet flame wars? It had a chart of several types of “keyboard warriors” who each had their own specialty over which they’d get upset and devote all of their time obsessing and flaming people online. I figured “SJW” was that sort of thing, meant to describe someone who, although they otherwise share many of the same views as I do, go all out batshit online attacking the most ridiculous examples of perceived social injustice. You know, the sort of person where you’d shake your head and mutter, “Dude, you’re not helping.” But it was not meant to be. Whatever utility the term might once have had for moderate and/or reasonable folks on the left to play No True Scotsman has long been ruined. Not everyone who uses the term is necessarily a hopeless bigot or inveterate troll, of course. I still hold out hope that many of the young and/or clueless who’ve been sucked into one or another clickbait-driven flame war can be convinced to save themselves from a life of outrage and pointless bigoted hate. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/907 "2017-05-03T23:26:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Ok, can someone clarify my understanding here? Whenever I see or hear “SJW” used, it seems to translate literally to “a person who feels that jigaboos, fairies, wetbacks, dykes, slopes, tree huggers, atheists and such like deserve to be treated with the same respect as decent god-fearing white folk”. It appears to wrap up every bigothet within it, the words that the user desperately wants to be able to freely pepper their language with were it not for the goddam PC-Patrol. Not quite - it means “a person who thinks [all those minorities you described with epithets] are extra special and their feelings and right to be outraged over trivialities is far more important than the rights/feelings/opinions of everyone else, especially if those everyone elses are caucasian heterosexual men.” ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/908 "2017-05-03T23:29:41Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Not quite - it means “a person who thinks [all those minorities you described with epithets] are extra special and their feelings and right to be outraged over trivialities is far more important than the rights/feelings/opinions of everyone else, especially if those everyone elses are caucasian heterosexual men.” Who the hell are you to determine what a “triviality” is? “When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don’t get to decide that you didn’t.” - Louis CK ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/909 "2017-05-03T23:36:12Z")
[Oxford University Diversity Unit: Avoiding Eye Contact is Racist.](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/04/22/students-avoid-making-eye-contact-could-guiltyof-racism-oxford/amp/) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/910 "2017-05-04T00:04:24Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Who the hell are you to determine what a “triviality” is? > > “When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don’t get to decide that you didn’t.” - Louis CK Because there’s no such thing as a complaint without merit… ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/911 "2017-05-04T02:43:59Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Not quite - it means “a person who thinks [all those minorities you described with epithets] are extra special and their feelings and right to be outraged over trivialities is far more important than the rights/feelings/opinions of everyone else, especially if those everyone elses are caucasian heterosexual men.” You know the adage _any virtue taken to to an extreme becomes a vice_? That’s what the term SJW means to me. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/912 "2017-05-04T07:22:34Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > “When a person tells you that you hurt them, you don’t get to decide that you didn’t.” - Louis CK Except quite often you do. I know it’s “cool” to quote Louis CK, but he’s not the final arbiter of any of this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/913 "2017-05-04T07:31:07Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Except quite often you do. I know it’s “cool” to quote Louis CK, but he’s not the final arbiter of any of this sort of thing. No, you don’t. It’s not referencing him as a final arbiter. It’s referencing him saying something perfectly obvious. If you think you can hurt someone and then tell them that you didn’t hurt them, that’s just gaslighting. You did hurt them, even if you didn’t mean to. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/914 "2017-05-04T07:42:04Z")
And if you truly believe you didn’t hurt them, then you’re just delusional. They and they alone can tell if they were hurt. You may not have meant it. They may have misunderstood. But you hurt their feelings. If you claim otherwise, you are either lying or delusional–as in, denying the objective, factual reality. Like saying the sky is purple or Wednesday is immediately followed by Saturday. If someone says you hurt them, you are physically incapable of determining that you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/915 "2017-05-04T08:36:49Z")
Remember, kids: it’s not racism, sexism or homophobia until a straight white male tells you it is! ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/916 "2017-05-04T09:10:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And if you truly believe you didn’t hurt them, then you’re just delusional. They and they alone can tell if they were hurt. > > You may not have meant it. They may have misunderstood. But you hurt their feelings. If you claim otherwise, you are either lying or delusional–as in, denying the objective, factual reality. Like saying the sky is purple or Wednesday is immediately followed by Saturday. > > If someone says you hurt them, you are physically incapable of determining that you didn’t. That depends. For example, if you bump into someone and they claim “You hurt me!” - no, you didnt. Accidentally getting bumped into doesn’t hurt. Closely related to this concept is the idea that even if the other person _was_ feeling hurt by something, they shouldn’t have been. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/917 "2017-05-04T10:36:28Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No, you don’t. It’s not referencing him as a final arbiter. It’s referencing him saying something perfectly obvious. > > If you think you can hurt someone and then tell them that you didn’t hurt them, that’s just gaslighting. You did hurt them, even if you didn’t mean to. What if they’re lying? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/918 "2017-05-04T10:42:52Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And if you truly believe you didn’t hurt them, then you’re just delusional. They and they alone can tell if they were hurt. > > You may not have meant it. They may have misunderstood. But you hurt their feelings. If you claim otherwise, you are either lying or delusional–as in, denying the objective, factual reality. Like saying the sky is purple or Wednesday is immediately followed by Saturday. > > If someone says you hurt them, you are physically incapable of determining that you didn’t. So there’s nothing precluding you from acknowledging that you’ve hurt someone, and, instead of apologising, telling them to sack the fuck up and stop being a baby. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/919 "2017-05-04T10:45:59Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > So there’s nothing precluding you from acknowledging that you’ve hurt someone, and, instead of apologising, telling them to sack the fuck up and stop being a baby. Also one of my points. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/920 "2017-05-04T10:54:37Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > So there’s nothing precluding you from acknowledging that you’ve hurt someone, and, instead of apologising, telling them to sack the fuck up and stop being a baby. Of course not, just as there is nothing stopping others from judging you accordingly, with all the attendant social consequences. So are we done here? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=47)