# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1121 "2017-06-08T23:08:08Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Do they not have police officers in Evergreen or something? According to Weinstein, the Dean (who seems to be hopelessly incompetent on pretty much every level) told them not to get involved. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1122 "2017-06-08T23:34:54Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > This is the shit that pisses me off about SJWs, so many of them don’t seem to understand that some minorities will, in fact, lie and/or use the race/sex card in an attempt to get what they’re after. Sure some people will lie. There are some people that are lying and cheating in whatever you are talking about. The vast majority of people don’t lie about this, because lying about things like getting raped is (1) not something the vast majority of women want to do and (2) making a rape allegation comes with a whole lot of hell even when it’s true. Furthermore, we know full well that it’s a true epidemic in our society that people are negatively impacted by racism, police misconduct, and sexual assault. The number of people getting away with this shit is magnitudes larger than the number of people lying about it. So, yeah, sometimes advocates are going to stumble over a false accusation. That’s a reason to be mad at the false accuser, not at the advocate. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1123 "2017-06-08T23:39:19Z")
“There’s a bad person on your side, so your side shouldn’t be allowed to exist” is a common argument and could be used against pretty much everybody. It is also a stupid argument. But this; > [@Joey P](#): > > so many of them don’t seem to understand that some minorities will, in fact, lie and/or use the race/sex card in an attempt to get what they’re after. Is just whiny alt-right racism. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1124 "2017-06-08T23:41:33Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > There is also a guy who used to post over at Freethoughtblogs who has moved on to Patheos who once wrote an entry (I don’t know if it is still available) where he talked about how, if he is walking on a sidewalk and was coming up on a woman at a time when nobody else is around, he will cross the road and walk on the opposite sidewalk until he is a reasonable distance away from the woman to make her feel more comfortable. > > I mean, I have no desire to make anyone uncomfortable, but come on! A lot of guys do this, I think it’s kind of sweet, but I always feel guilty when they do. I want to scream across the street, ‘‘I don’t think you’re a rapist!’’ But you know, awkward. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1125 "2017-06-08T23:55:50Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > But this; > > Is just whiny alt-right racism. Oh, fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1126 "2017-06-09T00:09:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Oh, fuck off. This thread in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1127 "2017-06-09T00:18:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > Oh, fuck off. You know that some alt-right scumbags lie and grossly distort the truth, right? ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Time\_Hockey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9adbd/32.png) [@Old\_Time\_Hockey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Old_Time_Hockey)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1128 "2017-06-09T00:23:14Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > A lot of guys do this, I think it’s kind of sweet, but I always feel guilty when they do. I want to scream across the street, ‘‘I don’t think you’re a rapist!’’ > > But you know, awkward. I have crossed the street at times in this manner. I don’t look physically intimidating, but I walk freakishly fast and it has visibly startled a few women (and men too, lol) at night when I suddenly overtake them. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1129 "2017-06-09T00:47:03Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > This is exactly the kind of thing that pisses me off. > > Even from a purely strategic standpoint, we fucking _need_ men in our corner, dammit. What agenda does this even serve? As a man myself, I don’t see any problem with this concept, nor do I feel in any way threatened by this or want to “change my side.” I don’t see how acknowledging the real fear that any man can be a rapist in a society where rape is not treated as it should be is anything but a good thing. Men need to understand this, and stop getting all offended because someone doesn’t instantly trust you not to be a rapist. If someone gets scared, we need to not dismiss it as just women being emotional, and realize it’s a real issue. This is actually what I hate. You have two groups. One group says something about how things are for them. And it gets turned into some horrible thing towards the other group. Women talking about their problems is not an insult to men. Women telling you why they don’t trust you aren’t a rapist right away is not insulting you by calling you a rapist. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1130 "2017-06-09T00:50:34Z")
Oh, and at no point did I pretend not to know what an SJW is. I’m pointing out that it doesn’t actually have a clear definition, and ultimately turns into “these people care about something I think is trivial.” It’s a pejorative, not a real term with a real meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1131 "2017-06-09T00:58:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > As a man myself, I don’t see any problem with this concept, nor do I feel in any way threatened by this or want to “change my side.” I don’t see how acknowledging the real fear that any man can be a rapist in a society where rape is not treated as it should be is anything but a good thing. > > Men need to understand this, and stop getting all offended because someone doesn’t instantly trust you not to be a rapist. If someone gets scared, we need to not dismiss it as just women being emotional, and realize it’s a real issue. > > What I hate about conservatives are this changing what’s about women and their victims into being about them. This seems the same thing. It’s men turning something about women into something that makes them feel bad, because men matter, and women don’t. Listen, I’m the last person to imply the experiences of women who have been sexually assaulted don’t matter. It’s an issue I’m fiercely passionate about. But posting an APB to all men telling them that you think they might be a rapist is really insulting, alienating, and wrong, in my view. It also feeds into the myth that rapists are some bush-dwelling stranger type and undermines the reality that rape most often happens in scenarios where the victim knows and trusts her attacker. Sexual predators aren’t some mysterious unfathomable monster; they’re your brother, your best friend, your father, your boyfriend. That’s the truth most people really don’t want to look at. And I’ve been attacked for my opinion, as having internalized misogyny, as not truly understanding the experience of victims. Which, you know, I was one. I experienced the ultimate betrayal and somehow managed to come out of it without a general distrust of all men. So maybe I have some hope that we can aspire to something better. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1132 "2017-06-09T01:24:36Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > There is also a guy who used to post over at Freethoughtblogs who has moved on to Patheos who once wrote an entry (I don’t know if it is still available) where he talked about how, if he is walking on a sidewalk and was coming up on a woman at a time when nobody else is around, he will cross the road and walk on the opposite sidewalk until he is a reasonable distance away from the woman to make her feel more comfortable. > > I mean, I have no desire to make anyone uncomfortable, but come on! Okay, you won’t cross the street to make a woman feel safer. I don’t care one way or the other about that, as long as you don’t feel a need to get defensive if she crosses the street to make herself feel safer. How she feels is her business, unless she does something that hurts you. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1133 "2017-06-09T01:42:47Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > “There’s a bad person on your side, so your side shouldn’t be allowed to exist” is a common argument and could be used against pretty much everybody. I’m fairly sure I never made that argument. I’ve argued that I have issues with SJWs because of the way the handle people with different view points, but I’m pretty sure I never said they shouldn’t be allowed to exist because one of them lied. > [@](#): > > Is just whiny alt-right racism. Saying that people will use their minority status as part of a false accusation and/or saying that people will believe it isn’t ‘alt-right racism’, it’s an actual, provable, truth. No one (well, not me) is accusing minorites in general of doing this. That would be different. But to say it doesn’t happen is ignorant. I’ve seen SJWs say it doesn’t happen. When evidence starts to stack up against a victim, they’ll declare that the ‘[minority] wouldn’t lie about this’ and refuse to even listen to any possible reason why the person might have made a false accusation all the while dumping statistics and articles at the other person. Crying racism is, literally, one of the issues I mentioned earlier. SJW makes a claim, someone disagrees with it in some way, SJW calls them a racist. To make it worse, you went right from zero to ‘you’re a white supremacist’ just like so many other SJWs. There’s no middle ground. It’s always “you’ll take this at face value, no questions asked or you’re an literal fucking nazi”. > [@](#): > > The number of people getting away with this shit is magnitudes larger than the number of people lying about it. So, yeah, sometimes advocates are going to stumble over a false accusation. That’s a reason to be mad at the false accuser, not at the advocate. I don’t recall if I’ve mentioned this earlier, but to be clear, I’m annoyed at the advocate for not doing their due diligence. If they’re going to make public spectacle of people that harm minorities the onus is on them to make sure it actually happened. But I’m much more angry at the accuser. She flat out made something up. Every time someone makes a false accusation (or at least every time they’re caught), they make it harder for real victims. Whether it’s because they aren’t taken seriously or because the complaint process has to be more rigorous or some other reason. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but would it have been that difficult for the advocate group to wait to see the dashcam before doing this? Oh and the advocacy group’s facebook page has quite a few posts about this racial profiling incident, it’s on a number of local media’s websites but after the truth came out they didn’t seem to have any interest in apologizing. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1134 "2017-06-09T01:54:49Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Crying racism Hint: If you ever want anyone to give you the benefit of the doubt, never use any variation of this phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1135 "2017-06-09T01:56:14Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > There is also a guy who used to post over at Freethoughtblogs who has moved on to Patheos who once wrote an entry (I don’t know if it is still available) where he talked about how, if he is walking on a sidewalk and was coming up on a woman at a time when nobody else is around, he will cross the road and walk on the opposite sidewalk until he is a reasonable distance away from the woman to make her feel more comfortable. > > I mean, I have no desire to make anyone uncomfortable, but come on! That does seem odd. I can’t quite pin down the reasoning behind it, but unless he has some reason to know he makes people uncomfortable, I would wonder if there’s more to it. Maybe he’s really shy or has a restraining order or he’s paranoid and goes really far out of his way (literally) to make sure no one can accuse him of something he didn’t do. For me, though, if my presence intimidates someone else, it’s not my problem. I hate to sound crass but I can’t spend my day walking 60 feet around every person I pass because they might be scared of me. However, I have no issue if the other person wants to cross the street or be on guard as they pass me. As long as they don’t harm me in the process (ie, keep your hand on your gun in your purse, fine, just don’t shoot me by accident in the process). A perfect example is first date. Virtually every guy that’s been on a first date in the last few years can probably tell you that the girl had some kind of ‘escape plan’. A little while into most dates, the girl will get a random phone call or text that she’ll play off as some innocuous thing. Once or twice we’ve (whoever I was meeting and I) ‘randomly’ bumped into a friend of theirs. We all know that it’s the ‘is everything going okay or do you need to leave’ checkup. For the record, it really doesn’t bother me in the least. I understand it and I have no problem going out with someone that knows enough to think more than 3 minutes into the future. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1136 "2017-06-09T01:58:33Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Hint: If you ever want anyone to give you the benefit of the doubt, never use any variation of this phrase. I don’t need anything from someone that twisted my words, changed my argument and called me an alt-right racist. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1137 "2017-06-09T02:04:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I’m fairly sure I never made that argument. I’ve argued that I have issues with SJWs because of the way the handle people with different view points, but I’m pretty sure I never said they shouldn’t be allowed to exist because one of them lied. > > \ > > Saying that people will use their minority status as part of a false accusation and/or saying that people will believe it isn’t ‘alt-right racism’, it’s an actual, provable, truth. > No one (well, not me) is accusing minorites in general of doing this. Look dude, you said (and repeat here) that some minorities lie. Sure, no one really disputes that. But everyone lies. You’re using the fact that a very small number of people lie to blow off all of them. Do you do the same about rapists? Because some women lie, they can’t be believed? Would you then agree that because Fox News has a \> 50% bullshit content, that they cannot be trusted or believed? How about Hannity and O’Reilly? They lie a LOT. Hell, so does Trump. Since Trump is a known liar and bullshit artist, does that mean he can never be trusted and can’t be believed? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1138 "2017-06-09T02:05:16Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I don’t need anything from someone that twisted my words, changed my argument and called me an alt-right racist. Another hint: You should be able to keep better track of who said what. After all, it’s just a few scrolls up. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1139 "2017-06-09T02:15:07Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > That does seem odd. I can’t quite pin down the reasoning behind it, but unless he has some reason to know he makes people uncomfortable, I would wonder if there’s more to it. Maybe he’s really shy or has a restraining order or he’s paranoid and goes really far out of his way (literally) to make sure no one can accuse him of something he didn’t do. > > For me, though, if my presence intimidates someone else, it’s not my problem. I hate to sound crass but I can’t spend my day walking 60 feet around every person I pass because they might be scared of me… You do sound crass. This makes me want to say “check your privilege”. I think you really do need to try harder to empathize with what it’s like when you’re at a huge size/weight disadvantage, in an isolated place where you’re potentially exposed and unsafe. I don’t think there’s a social _obligation_ here, but it’s crass to suggest that there must be something _wrong_ with somebody who does so as a kind voluntary gesture. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1140 "2017-06-09T02:40:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Another hint: You should be able to keep better track of who said what. After all, it’s just a few scrolls up. I mean, I do know we all look alike, but still … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=58)