# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1301 "2017-06-12T13:32:39Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > But one can argue that she _has_ done something wrong, in that it violates her rights and freedoms. And jumping on the slippery slope, what level of “uncomfortable” would she have to accommodate covering up for? Cover up enough to not offend Pat Robertson? To not offend the Amish? Enough not to offend an ultra-Orthodox Jew? To not offend a Wahhabist? > > (Briefly touching back on the “two girls running” incident I have mentioned, it occurred to me that thanks to the magic of Google Street View, I can show [the exact stretch of sidewalk](https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5127841,-82.639588,3a,75y,237.48h,80.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWScBRUwFpc8M0FsPJd8hZQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWScBRUwFpc8M0FsPJd8hZQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D295.0972%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) I was walking along on in the middle of that day. Intimidating location, huh?) One of the first things young women learn if they want to survive is that street crime can happen anywhere from Rodeo Drive to Skid Row. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1302 "2017-06-12T20:02:15Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s not about your hangups about dogs, it is about you expecting dog owners to do exactly what you are objecting to, to realize that their presence may cause discomfort, and to take a small effort to prevent that discomfort. I’m pretty sure I made it clear that I DON’T expect them to do anything. > [@](#): > > For perspective though, [31 dog fatalities](http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2016.php), vs [325,000 sexual assautls](https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence). Why would you compare fatalities to assaults? > [@](#): > > Why should dog owners change their behavior because you have an unreasonable fear of dogs? Again, I don’t think they should change their behavior. Not sure how I can make it any clearer for you. > [@](#): > > It’s not asking you to change your behavior, just to pay attention to how your actions affect others, and if you see that your actions can affect others in a negative way, taking small steps to avoid that. In some few cases, some small amount of action on your part could help to avoid causing anxiety of fear on someone else’s But somehow you don’t mean this: Hey Arab guy! You should stay in the house because your actions are affecting others in a negative way. You should take some small steps to avoid that. Hey woman! Your clothing is affecting others in a negative way. You should probably cover up yourself. It’s only a small thing. Hey breastfeeder! You are affecting others negatively. You should probably cover yourself or feed your baby out of the public eye. You don’t want to negatively affect people, right? Hey black guy! Your actions are affecting others negatively. You can just go to the restaurant across the way. It’s just a small step to avoid causing anxiety or fear on someone else. You only mean this: Hey man! Your actions are affecting others negatively. Cross the street to avoid causing anxiety or fear on someone else. Yet you don’t see the similarities. > [@](#): > > No one is demanding you do this, or even asking strongly, just that you note that there are contexts in which you may, with no intent of your own, cause someone else harm, and if you realize those contexts, then you can avoid doing them that unintentional harm. You posting here is causing me harm. Please stop posting on this message board. Now, I’ve notified you that you are causing me harm. Are you going to stop posting here? > [@](#): > > There is possibility that within the muslim community there may be those who suggest that they be careful not to spook the white folks, but for white folks to suggest that to muslims or others of arab ethnic appearance, would be rude and racist Yes, just like for woman to suggest that men should be careful not to spook the women folk. Rude and sexist. > [@](#): > > Do you not see the difference here between an community saying to its members, “Hey, we should avoid doing this, becuase it may cuase unintentional harm”, vs someone from outside the community demanding that do the same? Yes, that’s why women shouldn’t be telling men to avoid doing something that may cause unintentional harm. So you agree! > [@](#): > > If they take that racism and try to form policy against black people due to it, then that’s a bit different, but as far as personal preference, if being a group of black people makes them uncomfortable, then who are you to tell them that they must endure that discomfort? They may lose out on going to some events that otherwise they may have enjoyed, they may even lose out on employment opportunities due to their racism Yes, but you want to unintentional offender (here, it is black people) to do something in order to alleviate discomfort of someone else. > [@](#): > > That’s racist. It is also affecting others. It is also based on conformational bias And how is assuming every man is a potential rapist NOT conformational bias? > [@](#): > > Yes, it would be racist. But, as we have said a few times, trauma is not always rational. If I knew this guy, and he expressed racist views, I would try to council him against those, but, having empathy, and understanding why he holds those views, as long as he doesn’t try to inflict them on others, then I don’t think that that makes him a “bad” person You mean like expecting other people to cross the street? > [@](#): > > Recognizing that there are certain situations where some effort on your part could greatly alleviate the discomfort of another part is not the same as the strawman you are throwing out here. You not posting on this message board anymore would greatly alleviate the discomfort I feel reading your words. Therefore, by your own admission, you should stop posting here in order to alleviate my suffering. Or you could admit that some people have fears, be it rational or irrational, based on confirmation bias, past traumatic experience, or too much news watching. And those fears should not result in entire groups of people (men, minorities) having to change their ways in order to accommodate them. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1303 "2017-06-12T22:56:59Z")
How about we get on topic. I feel like crossing the street has been exhausted. Also really, “current sjw nonsense” seems to have been exhausted, so I’m going to dip into the past cause I only just heard about it. I guess six months ago the UN appointed Wonder Woman as an honorary ambassador to the UN as representative of some kind of girl empowerment movement. All good so far. But then feminists gathered 49,000 signatures to remove Wonder Woman because she is “a white, big breasted woman with impossible proportions” The UN did what it is good at and capitulated. Good lord. Feminists of six months ago…don’t focus on say “The Rape of Cologne”…focus on Wonder Woman and how she’s not fit because she’s a big breasted white woman ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1304 "2017-06-12T23:18:23Z")
Except that today’s Wonder Woman isn’t a big breasted white woman. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1305 "2017-06-12T23:26:54Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Except that today’s Wonder Woman isn’t a big breasted white woman. Nah, she’s just a former Miss Universe contestant, and winner of the 2004 Miss Israel pageant. She presents a far more realistic body image. Good point. Well made. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1306 "2017-06-12T23:29:05Z")
And you were expecting that Wonder Woman (an American cartoon character) would be a 300 pound butt-ugly Bengali woman? As I’ve said elsewhere, please show me the ugly men superheroes, because they’re all damned supermodels too. They’re ideals. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1307 "2017-06-12T23:55:33Z")
New one: Cambridge: [Don’t use “flair,” “genius” or “brilliance”](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/06/12/cambridge-university-examiners-told-avoid-using-words-like-flair/) to describe students - those words are associated with men. This is particularly puzzling - shouldn’t feminism consider a woman receiving accolades historically given to men, a \*good \*thing? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1308 "2017-06-12T23:58:15Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > But one can argue that she _has_ done something wrong, in that it violates her rights and freedoms. And jumping on the slippery slope, what level of “uncomfortable” would she have to accommodate covering up for? Cover up enough to not offend Pat Robertson? To not offend the Amish? Enough not to offend an ultra-Orthodox Jew? To not offend a Wahhabist? You aren’t even arguing she did anything wrong. A person cannot violate their own freedoms, so you are clearly assuming the woman is being coerced by someone else. And that person would be the one you are arguing is doing something wrong. If I choose to, say, not insult you in the Pit, have I done anything wrong? Because I choose to do something to accommodate you, am I doing anything wrong? Am I impacting the freedom of myself or anyone else? Of course not. No one is saying that men have to avoid crossing women on the street, or that women have to wear modest clothing. We’re saying they have the right to choose to do so. And the person involved has every right to thank them for doing it. That’s not to say there aren’t lines. But you are nowhere near them in these examples. For the modesty one: Nudity is often (but not always) illegal, and crosses the line for polite society in many situations. And you cannot make intentional physical contact with another person without their permission. Walking beside them, or wearing a lowcut outfit is nowhere near the line. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1309 "2017-06-13T00:06:34Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is particularly puzzling - shouldn’t feminism consider a woman receiving accolades historically given to men, a \*good \*thing? You mean [hxstorically](https://www.google.com/search?q=hxstory&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) given to men, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1310 "2017-06-13T00:30:36Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Darren Garrison said nothing remotely racist or sexist And, what I’m saying is that you don’t know this. Of course, from his point of view, he didn’t say anything racist, and so that’s what he’s going to tell us. And that’s just assuming he’s not intentionally leaving things out, which often happens. I mean, at least twice he’s read one thing we’ve said, in this very thread, and changed it to something different. I specifically said that the woman wasn’t obligated to be modest, but he immediately, in response to me, talks about it as if I called it an obligation. I don’t disagree that calling someone racist or sexist without explaining isn’t helpful. But I don’t agree with assuming Darren Garrison said nothing remotely racist or sexist. At most I can argue that he may not have. Because people calling people sexist or racist for no reason is just extremely uncommon. It’s the “SJW” myth. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1311 "2017-06-13T00:31:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > New one: > > Cambridge: [Don’t use “flair,” “genius” or “brilliance”](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/06/12/cambridge-university-examiners-told-avoid-using-words-like-flair/) to describe students - those words are associated with men. > > This is particularly puzzling - shouldn’t feminism consider a woman receiving accolades historically given to men, a \*good \*thing? Though I lambast Americans for living in their bubble and not considering the rest of the world…I have to admit I don’t have a firm enough grasp on the Brit education system to comment. Now if it was an American professor who said “women don’t excel at getting first rate degrees because they feel intimidated by a male dominated field…” I’d have some definite opinions. Not the least is that sounds incredibly sexist against women. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1312 "2017-06-13T00:40:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And, what I’m saying is that you don’t know this. Of course, from his point of view, he didn’t say anything racist, and so that’s what he’s going to tell us. And that’s just assuming he’s not intentionally leaving things out, which often happens. > > I mean, at least twice he’s read one thing we’ve said, in this very thread, and changed it to something different. I specifically said that the woman wasn’t obligated to be modest, but he immediately, in response to me, talks about it as if I called it an obligation. > > I don’t disagree that calling someone racist or sexist without explaining isn’t helpful. But I don’t agree with assuming Darren Garrison said nothing remotely racist or sexist. At most I can argue that he may not have. > > Because people calling people sexist or racist for no reason is just extremely uncommon. It’s the “SJW” myth. Hold on…for NO reason, I agree. For “a good enough reason”?? Well there’s the rub right? Man we could start a thread that would last years as to what constitutes that. Personally one is going to have to show me a good GD reason before I call them racist. And wearing a Trump hat isn’t enough. Being a Pub at a “anti sharia rally” isn’t enough. I’m going to default to “dumb larper who had nothing to do” before I say racist. And I understand my bar is going to be at a much different level than a lot of people. You can say to me that “the larper is tacitly supporting racism just by standing with actual vile people”…and that’s a valid argument. But I posit that there are plenty of “SJWs” that most people at SDMB would consider not having a good enough reason to hurl the racist label. I see a lot of them on YT. IMHO I’m on my phone sorry I can’t link ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1313 "2017-06-13T00:54:31Z")
Oh you don’t need to. We fry those people too. This is the BBQ Pit. There are a variety of sauces available at the door. They will be used liberally. And frequently by liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1314 "2017-06-13T01:00:17Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > New one: > > Cambridge: [Don’t use “flair,” “genius” or “brilliance”](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/06/12/cambridge-university-examiners-told-avoid-using-words-like-flair/) to describe students - those words are associated with men. > > This is particularly puzzling - shouldn’t feminism consider a woman receiving accolades historically given to men, a \*good \*thing? So we don’t need to talk about your flair? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1315 "2017-06-13T01:07:45Z")
> [@](#): > > I mean, at least twice he’s read one thing we’ve said, in this very thread, and changed it to something different. I specifically said that the woman wasn’t obligated to be modest, but he immediately, in response to me, talks about it as if I called it an obligation. Giving in to something that really wouldn’t be your first choice because there is cultural/peer pressure on you and you would be looked down on if you didn’t is a form of cultural obligation. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1316 "2017-06-13T02:03:46Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And, what I’m saying is that you don’t know this. I mean he has said nothing of the sort in this thread. And I do know this, because I’ve read the things he has written since this conversation started. You sound like you’re saying, ‘‘He might secretly be sexist, we don’t know, so we should say he’s sexist for the sake of argument.’’ That’s not what you’re saying, is it? You seem to be getting more and more extreme in your views. I was gone for, I dunno maybe six months and it’s like interacting with a different poster. ---
**Author:** ![Squallous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Squallous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squallous)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1317 "2017-06-13T19:40:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I always advise people not to defend how they aren’t racist when they are called racist. Why? Why would anyone not do that? And why would you advise that? “You are this vile thing.” “No I am not.” “Ssshhhhhh… don’t defend yourself, just let it happen.” > [@BigT](#): > > It never convinces the other person that they were wrong. You’re right, I doubt I fixed her individual stupid. But I did raise social consciousness in general so that’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Squallous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Squallous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squallous)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1318 "2017-06-13T19:50:38Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Instead, take a step back and try to look at it from **the other person’s point of view**. You might or might not think there is racism in what you did, but, you know what, accept that something you did **might strike someone else as racist** , and maybe \*\*you ought to give that opinion credit \*\*no matter how not-a-racist you think you are and no matter how non-racist you think your motives are. No, I ought to consider whether or not that opinion has merit. Just because some stranger has an opinion doesn’t mean that I ought to give it credit. I should consider it, and I did, and found it so ignorant and absurd that it would’ve been funny if it wasn’t so patently offensive. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1319 "2017-06-13T19:59:55Z")
> [@Squallous](#): > > Why? Why would anyone not do that? And why would you advise that? > > “You are this vile thing.” > “No I am not.” > “Ssshhhhhh… don’t defend yourself, just let it happen.” A racist is an objective thing, and it is only vile because society feels that treating people as though they are lesser due to their genetic heritage to be a vile thing. If you find yourself having enough in common with a racist that you yourself find yourself being accused of being a racist, then simply saying “No, I am not” is a poor response. It is defensive, and can only shut down the conversation as you now go on the defensive to explain why your perceived lesser treatment of others due to their genetic heritage is not racist, derailing any other productive conversation that may have transpired. Trying to determine what characteristics or actions you are exhibiting to make others make that judgement about your actions would be a beneficial response, if what you are desiring is to act less like a racist. This can lead to a productive conversation, in which you find out how what you were doing could be perceived as treating someone as though they were lesser due to their genetic heritage. You may learn how to be perceived as less racist, or your accuser may learn that your actions are not racist, or even both! The other option is to own up to it. “You’re a racist!” “Yes I am, because I feel as though it is appropriate to treat others as lessers due to their genetic heritage.” I would think fairly poorly upon the second person in the last exchange, but at least it was honest and I know where they stand. Now, sure, there are those who perceive any slight against a person of any ethnicity as racism, even if it really isn’t, but that is a chance to have a teachable moment with them, or you can just shut down and be defensive. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1320 "2017-06-13T20:03:52Z")
Or just say “Whatever, I don’t care what you think.” Or my personal favorite “If you really think that, I’ll walk with you to the EEO right now and you can file a complaint” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=67)