# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1321 "2017-06-13T20:05:30Z")
One really annoying part has to be the destruction of the English language. We’ve seen it with words like niggardly, we’ve seen it in all sorts of false etymologies for various words and phrases and idioms, and here’s a new example with dingo. Not only are they wrong, they are so adamant that they are right that there is no way to convince them otherwise. And the damn things propagate, even more so these days with the internet. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1322 "2017-06-13T20:09:53Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Or just say “Whatever, I don’t care what you think.” > > Or my personal favorite “If you really think that, I’ll walk with you to the EEO right now and you can file a complaint” Sure, you could do that, but I was giving suggestions for productive conversations, not just some snappy comeback lines to throw over your shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1323 "2017-06-13T20:53:41Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Sure, you could do that, but I was giving suggestions for productive conversations, not just some snappy comeback lines to throw over your shoulder. “Never wrestle with a pig–the pig likes it and you both get muddy.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1324 "2017-06-13T21:45:03Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > One really annoying part has to be the destruction of the English language. We’ve seen it with words like niggardly, we’ve seen it in all sorts of false etymologies for various words and phrases and idioms, and here’s a new example with dingo. Not only are they wrong, they are so adamant that they are right that there is no way to convince them otherwise. And the damn things propagate, even more so these days with the internet. Language always evolves, and always has. English in 100 years will be a bit different than it is now. This has always been true and always will. Complaining about it is like complaining about the weather. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1325 "2017-06-13T21:47:48Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If you find yourself having enough in common with a racist that you find yourself being accused of being a racist, then simply saying “No, I am not” is a poor response. That’s some genuinely Kafkaesque level question-begging right here. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1326 "2017-06-13T22:28:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > That’s some genuinely Kafkaesque level question-begging right here. How so? You may not be a racist, but if you are doing things that people perceive as racist, would it not be better to engage in a dialogue as to why that perception exists, than to shut it down with defensiveness? You will either learn something about yourself, and why something that you are doing is perceived that way, and how to prevent that, or you may convince others that what you are doing should not be perceived that way, and they will not accuse others of being a racist for performing those actions in the future. “No I am not.” Does not do either of these things, it just drives in a wedge and makes further discourse more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1327 "2017-06-13T23:26:49Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You may not be a racist, but if you are doing things that people perceive as racist, would it not be better to engage in a dialogue as to why that perception exists, than to shut it down with defensiveness? Possibly, but there _do_ exist people who use accusations of racism as a weapon to get what they want and/or to draw attention to themselves. Those people aren’t remotely interested in dialogue and it’s a waste of your time to engage with them. They _know_ you’re not racist, but they don’t care. The “perception” doesn’t exist. They’re not genuinely outraged. Their outrage is _performative_, and the goal of the performance is either to get you to do what they want, or to feel some kind of perverse validation. For example, I doubt very much that the students at Evergreen flinging spittle-flecked abuse at Bret Weinstein for objecting to being pressured to leave campus (imagine that, a Jew objecting to non-Jews telling him where he is and isn’t supposed to be!) _genuinely_ believe he is a racist. They’re just using the word as a cudgel. Engaging in dialogue with people like that isn’t _remotely_ productive. Indeed, dignifying such spurious accusations with the offer of dialogue is a tactical error. We know this because Weinstein (showing _truly heroic_ patience and diplomacy) actually _did_ try to have a dialogue with his students, and they just told him to go fuck himself. Here’s another example. Former Islamist turned anti-terror campaigner Maajid Nawaz, explained in his autobiography ‘Radical’ precisely how he used to use false allegations of racism as a way to cow political opponents: > [@Radical](#): > > "The student affairs manager was a chap called Dave Gomer. He was the point of contact between the college authorities and students. A friendly, affable, well-meaning guy, his politics were forged in an earlier era, a time when student protests were about sit-ins and strikes and occupying the Student Union. To someone of Dave’s generation, student protest was ‘kids being kids’ and a healthy part of someone’s political education. As you can imagine, we ran circles around that man. > > Unlike the student protests in the 1960s, by using religion and multiculturalism as a cover, we brought an entirely foreign lexicon to the table. We knowingly presented political demands disguised as religion and multiculturalism, and deliberately labelled any objection to our demands as racism and bigotry". The take-home is this: If a person is accused of racism, the first thing he or she should do is consider whether the person hurling the accusation actually _means_ it. If they _do_ then yes, dialogue may very well be productive. If they _don’t_, then dialogue just plays further into their hands. Far better to rob them of their soapbox by refusing to engage with them, preferably after telling them to piss off. Based on **Squallous’s** description of his encounter with the idiot at the vet, I’m guessing he probably made the right call. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1328 "2017-06-13T23:48:02Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > One really annoying part has to be the destruction of the English language. We’ve seen it with words like niggardly, … Destruction? Yeah, ok. This word you mentioned, it sounds like another very hurtful word, so those who have feelings and are literate enough to know a few synonyms don’t use it. It hurts no one not to use it, and it destroys absolutely nothing. But yeah, the language has been destroyed because some people decide not to say “niggardly”. It’s taken all the hyperbole out of destroyed! ---
**Author:** ![yornmine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e480ec/32.png) [@yornmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yornmine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1329 "2017-06-14T00:47:42Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Destruction? Yeah, ok. This word you mentioned, it sounds like another very hurtful word, so those who have feelings and are literate enough to know a few synonyms don’t use it. Sorry, but you don’t coddle sub-literate mental patients who have panic attacks over stupid shit like “niggardly.” You just point and laugh at them like the complete societal failures they are. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1330 "2017-06-14T00:51:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > That’s some genuinely Kafkaesque level question-begging right here. Perhaps that’s why it’s called the “[Kafka Trap](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kafkatrap)”. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1331 "2017-06-14T00:56:12Z")
> [@yornmine](#): > > Sorry, but you don’t coddle sub-literate mental patients who have panic attacks over stupid shit like “niggardly.” You just point and laugh at them like the complete societal failures they are. I’d say the societal failures would be those people who choose to inflict pain on their fellow citizens for absolutely no reason other than personal amusement. If everyone had your attitude, society would stop functioning. ---
**Author:** ![yornmine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e480ec/32.png) [@yornmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yornmine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1332 "2017-06-14T01:54:28Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I’d say the societal failures would be those people who choose to inflict pain on their fellow citizens for absolutely no reason other than personal amusement. If everyone had your attitude, society would stop functioning. No it wouldn’t, since words only hurt the non-contributors. Actual useful members of society would be fine. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1333 "2017-06-14T02:00:47Z")
> [@yornmine](#): > > …words only hurt the non-contributors. … Heavy. ---
**Author:** ![yornmine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e480ec/32.png) [@yornmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yornmine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1334 "2017-06-14T02:06:20Z")
Here’s a new one from the world of gaming: > **[Entertainment - MarketWatch](https://www.marketwatch.com/entertainment?reflink=heatst)** > > Entertainment and media news coverage from MarketWatch. Basically, indie development human bicycle Zoe Quinn found out a gamergater was able to do something she never will, develop a game people actually want to play and showcase it to an audience of hundreds of thousands at an international convention. So she mobilized her army of beta faggots to comb through the guy’s twitter history then used her sycophantic “journalist” buddies at the various AIDS gaming sites (i.e., Kotaku, Vice, Polygon, Mic, etc.) to humiliate the guy, all for the monstrous crime of calling social justice the pile of pig shit that it is. The silver lining in this whole thing is that this guy has a bright future ahead of him in gaming while Quinn is stuck financially dominating the dozen-or-so white knights she has left until her cooch finally falls out from overuse. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1335 "2017-06-14T02:16:59Z")
Dolly Parton is quite a witty lady. Case in point: she sometime takes written questions from her audience, reads them and answers them. (Maybe not anymore, she plays big-ass venues, but didn’t always…) Anyways, she is on stage, reading and answering questions, then picks up the next, reads it and says… “I’m not going to read this one, I’ll just answer it. They are about the size of cantaloupes. And wouldn’t your Mamma be proud of you!” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1336 "2017-06-14T02:33:07Z")
> [@yornmine](#): > > So she mobilized her army of beta faggots… [Moderating] Hi, **yornmine**. Welcome to the SDMB! Here’s a formal warning for using hate speech. Do it again, we kick you off the boards. Enjoy your stay. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1337 "2017-06-14T04:16:39Z")
[QUOTE=paraphrasing yornmine] \ [/QUOTE] Are you on blood pressure meds? You probably should be. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1338 "2017-06-14T05:56:57Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > The take-home is this: If a person is accused of racism, the first thing he or she should do is consider whether the person hurling the accusation actually _means_ it. If they _do_ then yes, dialogue may very well be productive. If they _don’t_, then dialogue just plays further into their hands. Far better to rob them of their soapbox by refusing to engage with them, preferably after telling them to piss off. Based on **Squallous’s** description of his encounter with the idiot at the vet, I’m guessing he probably made the right call. The idea that Evergreen students didn’t (delusionally) believe their professor is racist is ridiculous to me. Having spent massive amounts of time with radical social justice types, I assure you that a majority of them are sincere in their beliefs. Whether they are draconian in implementing those beliefs and irrational and crazy in doing so, in certain contexts, is a much different question. In the case of **Squallous** ’ story, you can be judgmental and superior and close-minded – and still be sincere. (See: Certain expressions of religious conviction.) So I’d modify your statement to read: If a person is accused of racism, the first thing he or she should do is consider whether the person hurling the accusation is open to a constructive dialog. You have no way of knowing whether they ‘‘mean’’ it. If both people approach with an open mind, probably it can be a useful exchange. If one of either party is unwilling to consider the opposing view, there’s no point. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1339 "2017-06-14T07:32:45Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Are you on blood pressure meds? You probably should be. He’s just mad he’s still a virgin. Hey asshole, /r/incels is over _there_. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1340 "2017-06-14T08:10:44Z")
If you are jackass initially, you’ll never know if the person was open to discussion. And I argue that an apology, and showing your care about their feelings, can help them be open to discussion. And, as a bonus, if they were trolls, and just wanted to upset you, you’ve not let them. Plus, just from my observations in online communities: the people who get the most upset about being called racist tend to be those who have actually said racist things. Better to go as far the other way as possible. And it just follows from the actual underlying ethic for being against bigotry. You need to care about the feelings of others. Try not to be selfish and only care about yourself or people like you. ’ And since most bigoted people don’t know they are bigoted, you have to be open if you want to learn not to be bigoted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=68)