# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1421 "2017-06-14T23:15:56Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > If my “in-group” [includes](https://www.britannica.com/topic/racism) the writers of the Encyclopedia Britannica, then I’m happy with the company I have. That’s a pretty damn tiny “in-group”. 😛 Not surprisingly, [other sources](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism) link discrimination by nationality and other factors very closely with racism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1422 "2017-06-14T23:17:36Z")
> [@Squallous](#): > > No. Words have meanings. Changing the meaning to fit your argument isn’t semantics, it’s disingenuous. Broadening the definition of racism until it encompasses potentially everything and anything both trivializes actual racism and criminalizes (figuratively) normal behavior. I totally agree with every sentence after “no”. And yet, there might still be some disagreement about what racism actually encompasses. It’s okay. Such a disagreement doesn’t mean I’m a hypocrite, or a bad person (nor does it mean anything negative about you). It’s really possible for decent folks to honestly disagree on stuff like this. And it’s okay to discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1423 "2017-06-14T23:54:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Granpa? What’s an “encyclopedia”? “Something with far more scholarship, respect, and credibility than you, little one.” ---
**Author:** ![Squallous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Squallous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squallous)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1424 "2017-06-15T01:35:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > …there might still be some disagreement about what racism actually encompasses… Clearly. You seem to think it encompasses such a broad array of normal human behavior that it is essentially indistinguishable from normal human behavior. Thus “everyone’s a racist” (my words, not yours). Which I disagree with. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s really possible for decent folks to honestly disagree on stuff like this. And it’s okay to discuss it. OK, lets. Please explain how my objection to being called a racist is actually evidence of my being a racist, or is motivated by my own racism. I refer you back to my prior example: “You are this vile thing.” “No, I am not.” “Objecting to being identified as this vile thing is evidence that you are this vile thing.” > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think well-meaning, non-racist people can still sometimes, by mistake, say or do racist things. How do non-racist people sometimes (“by mistake”) do racist things? If that is true then the opposite must also be true, that people who sometimes do racist things are not racist. Please explain. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > …relatively minor (even trivially minor) acts of racism and bigotry… Are you also going to disagree about what the word ‘trivial’ means? Please give examples of acts of racism which you would consider of little to no value, inconsequential, or unimportant. Then, please explain why we should even bother considering how to eradicate them. (Hint: paradox. If they’re trivial we need not concern ourselves with them, if we need to concern ourselves with them then they aren’t trivial.) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1425 "2017-06-15T02:07:15Z")
> [@Squallous](#): > > How do non-racist people sometimes (“by mistake”) do racist things? If that is true then the opposite must also be true, that people who sometimes do racist things are not racist. Please explain. How is that the opposite? Aren’t those both the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1426 "2017-06-15T02:11:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I suspect that people who can’t help but be racist sometimes use this argument as a way to deflect their personal issues onto society as a whole. _Ding!_ Assuming another person is racist is an act of prejudice, I see a LOT of projection in cases were racism or other vile imputation of a persons character is thrown around almost by default. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1427 "2017-06-15T03:00:40Z")
Whoa, this thread blew up. Good stuff, guys. Lots to consider. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1428 "2017-06-15T03:53:11Z")
This thread was fine as a stand-in for ‘what has the left done that has pissed you off’. Because, really the most the left has done HAS been stupid trivial SJW stuff. But after today, the schills for the Dem Party (NYTimes…others)… Maybe there should be a “What has the Democratic party done today to piss you off.” Cause the Clinton-dick-sucking, Dem-Centrist New York Times continuing association of the LEGALLY INSANE Loughner [with Sarah Palin](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nyt-still-peddling-trash-about-palin-and-the-gabrielle-giffords-shooting/article/2626049) may get some more votes for the Dems in New York, but it’s going to cost votes in about 5 swing states. AGAIN Dems, no one wants to be associated with your Republican-lite practices. You need to woo back the voters who sat out 2016. And acting like an org about as morally inept as…say…FIFA…isnt the way to do it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1429 "2017-06-15T04:03:15Z")
A day without the _Washington Examiner_ is like a day without ipecac. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1430 "2017-06-15T04:10:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A day without the _Washington Examiner_ is like a day without ipecac. Shocker that HuffPo wouldn’t carry something like that. Gotta give Snopes time of course. Doubt Intercept can be bothered cause they cover _real_ problems rather than six year old myths. But ill look. Edit: Yup…Intercept is trying to save millions of Yemeni. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1431 "2017-06-15T06:09:43Z")
A Huffington Post writer’s Twitter response to Congressional shooting: [Laments that this sort of violence isn’t organized or effective enough.](https://twitter.com/JesseBenn/status/875049629167079425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2017%2F06%2F14%2Finsane-reactions-alexandria-shooting-thus-far%2F) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1432 "2017-06-15T07:26:56Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > A Huffington Post writer’s Twitter response to Congressional shooting: [Laments that this sort of violence isn’t organized or effective enough.](https://twitter.com/JesseBenn/status/875049629167079425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2017%2F06%2F14%2Finsane-reactions-alexandria-shooting-thus-far%2F) Well, for this self-described liberal, that guy appears to be an asshole, and doesn’t speak to, or for, me. The rather gaudy counter-threats of violence against him are a bit much, though. Reason #12534 why I have nothing to do with Twitter: a profusion of Twits. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1433 "2017-06-15T08:05:06Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Well, for this self-described liberal, that guy appears to be an asshole, and doesn’t speak to, or for, me. The rather gaudy counter-threats of violence against him are a bit much, though. > > Reason #12534 why I have nothing to do with Twitter: a profusion of Twits. I read some of it…WOW. Back in the safe ol days of Obama…I know that Dan O’ Brien and (In a different case) the owners of Baseball Think Factory received ‘visits’ and had the fun time of sitting down for a personal interview. And for much, much, much less. I have to wonder if the Secret Service is so busy these days that they simply don’t have time to look into assholes like that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1434 "2017-06-15T09:22:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sorry, I don’t have the time or energy to teach grown people how not to be assholes. You’re on the wrong messageboard then. Attempts to do this seem to be a large percentage of our total output. > [@Squallous](#): > > This comes perilously close to the “_everyone’s_ a racist, even if they don’t admit it” argument. Everyone’s a _little bit_ racist sometimes, but it doesn’t mean we go around committing hate crimes. Look around and you will find no one’s really color-blind. Maybe it’s a fact we all should face: everyone makes judgments based on race. > [@Squallous](#): > > The problem seems to be that SJWs are quick to label otherwise normal human behavior as \_\_\_\_-ism or \_\_\_\_-phobia when it isn’t. Which is why this thread it titled as it is. The problem is also that people who have been called racist are quick to claim this is what is happening even when they’ve actually been racist. Because there’s no objective judge for racism, merely a shifting consensus view, and most people tend not to think of themselves as bigots (merely “realists”). We can all point to examples at either end of the spectrum but in the middle it gets muddy. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Is that another way of saying “bless your heart?” In the event you genuinely didn’t get the “There’s glory for you” reference, it’s from _Alice Through the Looking Glass_: > [@](#): > > "There’s glory for you!’ > > ‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory”,’ Alice said. > > Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”’ > > ‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument”,’ Alice objected. > > ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ > > ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ > > ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1435 "2017-06-15T09:38:15Z")
> [@Squallous](#): > > Clearly. You seem to think it encompasses such a broad array of normal human behavior that it is essentially indistinguishable from normal human behavior. Thus “everyone’s a racist” (my words, not yours). Which I disagree with. No, I don’t believe this. > [@](#): > > OK, lets. Please explain how my objection to being called a racist is actually evidence of my being a racist, or is motivated by my own racism. I refer you back to my prior example: > > “You are this vile thing.” > “No, I am not.” > “Objecting to being identified as this vile thing is evidence that you are this vile thing.” I never said you were a racist, and I never said you were motivated by racism. > [@](#): > > How do non-racist people sometimes (“by mistake”) do racist things? If that is true then the opposite must also be true, that people who sometimes do racist things are not racist. Please explain. Those are the same things, not opposites. People sometimes make mistakes, out of ignorance, clumsiness, thoughtlessness, or more. > [@](#): > > Are you also going to disagree about what the word ‘trivial’ means? Please give examples of acts of racism which you would consider of little to no value, inconsequential, or unimportant. Then, please explain why we should even bother considering how to eradicate them. (Hint: paradox. If they’re trivial we need not concern ourselves with them, if we need to concern ourselves with them then they aren’t trivial.) So far you’ve mischaracterized pretty much everything I’ve said. I’m not inclined to play the hypothetical situation games with you until you’re not doing this any more. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1436 "2017-06-15T10:25:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Everyone’s a _little bit_ racist sometimes, but it doesn’t mean we go around committing hate crimes. Look around and you will find no one’s really color-blind. Maybe it’s a fact we all should face: everyone makes judgments based on race. What chu talkin’ 'bout, Gyrate? ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1437 "2017-06-15T13:00:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > \ But whether we call if “racism” or “furngoism” or “Fred” doesn’t mean shit to a tree. Hey! Calling it "Fred” means shit _to me_! :eek: (Not an Arbor-American) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1438 "2017-06-15T13:15:17Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > A Huffington Post writer’s Twitter response to Congressional shooting: [Laments that this sort of violence isn’t organized or effective enough.](https://twitter.com/JesseBenn/status/875049629167079425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2017%2F06%2F14%2Finsane-reactions-alexandria-shooting-thus-far%2F) Fuck these people. Fuck HuffPo. There are too many people out there making everything worse. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1439 "2017-06-15T13:50:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And a counter tip back to you: don’t worry about trivial distinctions, like whether a statement is racist or bigoted because it referenced a nationality rather than a race or ethnicity. Saying something negative about all Mexicans is just as bad, and should receive just as much criticism, as saying something negative about all Hispanic people I already agree with this statement, of course, so no need to tip me off about it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/1440 "2017-06-15T13:56:16Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Nearly 2 decades ago, I was at a friend’s house, playing some games. > > One of my acquaintances there had recently gotten a new ear ring that he was showing off. It was a 5 or 6 karat “diamond”. > > He was asking me if I thought it looked real, and I said that cubic zirconium looks pretty much indistinguishable to the naked eye from diamond, so it looked real to me, but, I added, that it did not look real, because it didn’t look like he could afford such a thing Cool story, bro 🙂 Why on earth would you say all that in response to “Does this look real?” You make some irrelevant point about cubic zirconium looking like a diamond, which wasn’t the question. And then you insult the guy by saying he didn’t look like he could afford such a thing. Here’s a tip for you: Answer the question that somebody asks. “Hey, do these diamond earrings look real?” “Yeah, they look real” Again, not that hard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=73)