# Stupid Social Justice Warrior Bullshit O' the Day. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443 "2017-03-17T22:14:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/141 "2017-03-19T21:47:58Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh for fuck’s sake. :smack: Once again, do you not get the distinction between fighting for minimum wage vs. fighting over shaved armpits? > > Why do I even bother? There is value in debating armpit shaving. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/142 "2017-03-19T22:23:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh for fuck’s sake. :smack: Once again, do you not get the distinction between fighting for minimum wage vs. fighting over shaved armpits? > > Why do I even bother? The social justice warrior crowd really don’t. I had pretty much exactly this conversation in another thread on the subject and it turned into people saying “You only use the term against people with opinions you don’t like!” despite me clearly saying “No, it applies to people with views I also agree with too, although that rarely happens.” I maintain that SJWs are _not_ fighting for worthwhile stuff. Raging because white people have dreadlocks or society says women should shave their armpits or whatever is in no way nearly in the same league as saying “Every adult citizen should be able to vote” or “We shouldn’t discriminate against people for being gay” or “Slavery is appalling and should be stamped out”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/143 "2017-03-19T22:26:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > {…} As an aside, it’s worth noting that posters here are generally much more willing to allow threads to get bogged down in nitpickery over definitions when it’s left-wing shibboleths being targeted. I doubt anybody starting a thread about the problems inherent to the worldview of the modern conservative movement had to spend the first three pages trying to nail down _exactly_ what a conservative is and isn’t. Furthermore, I imagine anyone who tried dragging such a thread down such pointless definitional tangents would be accused of threadshitting by more or less everyone. All I ask is that people adopt the same philosophy here. Looks at Rick Sanchez’s join date, Remembers own join date, Dood, you are such a n00b, _nitpickery_ is this place’s life blood! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/144 "2017-03-19T22:32:30Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I maintain that SJWs are _not_ fighting for worthwhile stuff. Raging because white people have dreadlocks or society says women should shave their armpits or whatever is in no way nearly in the same league as saying “Every adult citizen should be able to vote” or “We shouldn’t discriminate against people for being gay” or “Slavery is appalling and should be stamped out”. I would maintain that the first group are not Social Justice Warriors, they’re just mouthy idiots who have learned that being outraged is the way to claim power. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/145 "2017-03-19T22:49:06Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > The social justice warrior crowd really don’t. I had pretty much exactly this conversation in another thread on the subject and it turned into people saying “You only use the term against people with opinions you don’t like!” despite me clearly saying “No, it applies to people with views I also agree with too, although that rarely happens.” > > I maintain that SJWs are _not_ fighting for worthwhile stuff. Raging because white people have dreadlocks or society says women should shave their armpits or whatever is in no way nearly in the same league as saying “Every adult citizen should be able to vote” or “We shouldn’t discriminate against people for being gay” or “Slavery is appalling and should be stamped out”. Pobrecito. I have told you repeatedly that your definition comes across as people who fight for causes you don’t think are worth fighting for. You seem to hate that, but then you come back and say essentially the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/146 "2017-03-19T22:53:31Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > The social justice warrior crowd really don’t. I had pretty much exactly this conversation in another thread on the subject and it turned into people saying “You only use the term against people with opinions you don’t like!” despite me clearly saying “No, it applies to people with views I also agree with too, although that rarely happens.” > > I maintain that SJWs are _not_ fighting for worthwhile stuff. Raging because white people have dreadlocks or society says women should shave their armpits or whatever is in no way nearly in the same league as saying “Every adult citizen should be able to vote” or “We shouldn’t discriminate against people for being gay” or “Slavery is appalling and should be stamped out”. And there you just contradicted yourself. The people who fight for things you don’t support are the SJWs. It is just a label for things you don’t think people should be fighting for. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/147 "2017-03-19T22:54:17Z")
OP, this isn’t turning into the mocking of SJWs like you wanted, is it? For one thing, Dopers don’t condense their thoughts to 140 characters or less, hashtags notwithstanding. For another, there’s very few millennials here, and SJWs are mostly a millennial concept. Dopers have experienced a longer multilayered history, and the novelty of SJWs is just another compact turd nugget that will come and go like pet rocks and polish jokes. Mocking SJWs is just a momentary amusement in the stream of life that becomes stale and boring after 5 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/148 "2017-03-19T23:43:20Z")
Suppose that whenever Donald Trump lays a stinking turd right in the middle of the Oval Office, he sends a Tweet “Never mind me; Billy the Toddler in Oshkosh isn’t toilet trained either!” We’d all agree that Donny the Toddler is the bigger offender. _ **But Billy’s parent should toilet train Billy anyway.** _ Don’t let Donny be a model for what is acceptable. I take sides with OP in this “debate.” It was asinine to boo down Prof. Jordan Peter, a renowned intellectual and himself a progressive activist. It is disheartening and maddening the way that the “left-wing” increasingly tries to imposes uniform thought on all people who would oppose the forces of evil — _ **forces whose powers are growing throughout much of the world** _. To list the tragedies which Trump may inflict on us would hijack the thread, but all sane people in the center or left must lament the votes cast for him. _ **Many of these votes were a backlash to the extreme “political correctness” which has taken over the left.** _ And now Dopers applaud, in the name of “free speech,” the ignorant booing of an esteemed intellectual. With dire crises threatening America and the world, we revert to a discussion of what earring types are politically correct. I hope I don’t need to buttress my credentials as a militant centrist. I endorsed Yvette Felarca’s assault on a neo-Nazi for heaven’s sake! And now I say … _ **Enough is enough** _. Let’s fight for some important things … and hope our grandchildren have the leisure to argue about earrings, or to boo down their intellectual superiors. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The fuck is the problem is that you’ve taken a term popularized by one of the great misogynist movements in the US in the past decade, and you’ve tried to act like there’s some utility to the term beyond branding yourself as a flunky of the 4chan brigade. > … > Meanwhile, the fuck is the problem is that when people point out to you that the real outrages are coming from Republicans who hold actual power, you–let me borrow **Ibanez** ’s phrasing here–lose your shit. > > That’s the fuck is the problem. I don’t know what OP’s politics are. The fuck the problem is you oh-so-smug leftists insisting on uniformity of thought, and sacrificing mountains to save a molehill. HTH. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/149 "2017-03-19T23:46:22Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > The social justice warrior crowd really don’t. I had pretty much exactly this conversation in another thread on the subject and it turned into people saying “You only use the term against people with opinions you don’t like!” despite me clearly saying “No, it applies to people with views I also agree with too, although that rarely happens.” > > I maintain that SJWs are _not_ fighting for worthwhile stuff. Raging because white people have dreadlocks or society says women should shave their armpits or whatever is in no way nearly in the same league as saying “Every adult citizen should be able to vote” or “We shouldn’t discriminate against people for being gay” or “Slavery is appalling and should be stamped out”. Pretty much. But hey, forget it Jake, it’s Dopertown. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/150 "2017-03-19T23:51:26Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > I really can’t afford to have advocating for social justice reduced to a pejorative so I’ll just say “fuck off” to all the people who use SJW as such. It’s only “well established” in its usage by assholes. And that would be a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/151 "2017-03-20T00:11:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Suppose that whenever Donald Trump lays a stinking turd right in the middle of the Oval Office, he sends a Tweet “Never mind me; Billy the Toddler in Oshkosh isn’t toilet trained either!” That’s exactly what’s happening here–except that this entire pit thread is dedicated to pitting Billy the Toddler. > [@](#): > > I don’t know what OP’s politics are. The fuck the problem is you oh-so-smug leftists insisting on uniformity of thought, and sacrificing mountains to save a molehill. Nobody here is insisting on uniformity of thought, ferchrissakes. What a stupid fuckin objection. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/152 "2017-03-20T00:21:55Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Nope. I’ve no intent to search for a 5 years old blog or whatever by someone defining himself as a SJW. I wouldn’t even know how to do that. That they existed isn’t controversial, anyway. According to wikipedia, the term even dates back from the late 90s… . So, you have no proof that anyone called themselves a SJW. I’ve just got to have faith. Sorry, the Roman Catholic Church couldn’t persuade me to have faith–and they’ve been in the business lots longer than you. Yes, some very young folks (usually in an academic setting) get a bit too picky about certain issuess They’ll learn proportion. At least they aren’t Fascists. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/153 "2017-03-20T00:45:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I don’t know what OP’s politics are. The fuck the problem is you _ **oh-so-smug leftists insisting on uniformity of thought** _, and sacrificing mountains to save a molehill. Do you know how to tell if someone is a retard? Statements like the bit highlighted above. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/154 "2017-03-20T00:51:00Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Suppose that whenever Donald Trump lays a stinking turd right in the middle of the Oval Office, he sends a Tweet “Never mind me; Billy the Toddler in Oshkosh isn’t toilet trained either!” > > We’d all agree that Donny the Toddler is the bigger offender. _ **But Billy’s parent should toilet train Billy anyway.** _ Don’t let Donny be a model for what is acceptable. > > I take sides with OP in this “debate.” It was asinine to boo down Prof. Jordan Peter, a renowned intellectual and himself a progressive activist. It is disheartening and maddening the way that the “left-wing” increasingly tries to imposes uniform thought on all people who would oppose the forces of evil — _ **forces whose powers are growing throughout much of the world** _. To list the tragedies which Trump may inflict on us would hijack the thread, but all sane people in the center or left must lament the votes cast for him. _ **Many of these votes were a backlash to the extreme “political correctness” which has taken over the left.** _ > > And now Dopers applaud, in the name of “free speech,” the ignorant booing of an esteemed intellectual. With dire crises threatening America and the world, we revert to a discussion of what earring types are politically correct. > > I hope I don’t need to buttress my credentials as a militant centrist. I endorsed Yvette Felarca’s assault on a neo-Nazi for heaven’s sake! And now I say … _ **Enough is enough** _. Let’s fight for some important things … and hope our grandchildren have the leisure to argue about earrings, or to boo down their intellectual superiors. > > I don’t know what OP’s politics are. The fuck the problem is you oh-so-smug leftists insisting on uniformity of thought, and sacrificing mountains to save a molehill. > > HTH. Hold on a second, I’ll head down to the barn and pick up some more hay. You’ve used a lot of it, but I think there are a few more bales in there. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/155 "2017-03-20T01:42:38Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > So, you have no proof that anyone called themselves a SJW. I’ve just got to have faith. There are, as near as I can tell, two groups that call themselves “Social Justice Warriors.” The first is folks who VERY RARELY used the term dating back to the nineties. It doesn’t appear to have been much of an idiom, just some words that people stuck together. “Social Justice” was a common term, and putting “warrior” as a complimentary label on folks who are fighting for a cause is not uncommon (Google your favorite terms–I’m finding hits for “ecowarrior,” “pro-life warrior,” and “animal rights warrior,” and I guarantee you can findmore). These folks used the two terms together in a sincere fashion. The WaPo article I linked to a couple pages back had details. The second is folks who adopt it ironically, as a badge of pride, in the same way that Dan Savage used to ask readers to call him “faggot,” or that a lot of Trumpheads call themselves “deplorables.” They figure if you use the insulting term in a positive way, it loses its power as an insult. I’ve definitely seen this use, but some folks here seem unaware of the ironic intent behind the usage. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/156 "2017-03-20T01:52:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Pretty much. But hey, forget it Jake, it’s Dopertown. ☹ I’ve noticed. I mean, **BigT** and **LHoD** are literally doing it a few posts upthread. Let’s pretend, purely for argument’s sake, that “SJW” means “any lefty agitating for change I don’t like and/or regard as trivial”. So what? How does that invalidate any point I’ve made? And why are some of the SJW Defence League so completely unable to differentiate between Significant Things like slavery/civil rights/gay marriage and Trivial Bullshit like “white people with dreadlocks”? The term “Social Justice Warrior” was floating around when I was first at uni (early-mid 2000s), usually applied to greenies with dreadlocks who’d go around insisting “women” be spelt with a “y” instead of an “e” becase of men or something, and related stuff that was considered almost laughably silly if it wasn’t being done so humourlessly and with an edge of nastiness to anyone who didn’t agree with them. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/157 "2017-03-20T01:59:32Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I’ve noticed. I mean, **BigT** and **LHoD** are literally doing it a few posts upthread. > > Let’s pretend, purely for argument’s sake, that “SJW” means “any lefty agitating for change I don’t like and/or regard as trivial”. So what? How does that invalidate any point I’ve made? And why are some of the SJW Defence League so completely unable to differentiate between Significant Things like slavery/civil rights/gay marriage and Trivial Bullshit like “white people with dreadlocks”? Listen, you git, we can distinguish between them. That’s not the fucking question at hand. The question is twofold: 1. Why do you need a special term to describe liberals who advocate for causes you disagree with; and 2. Why do you, discovering you need that term, choose the one popularized by the misogynistic tweakers behind Gamergate? I ignored Guin when she brought up this idiotic straw man multiple times above because, well, I’ve been ignoring Guin’s stupid points for nearly two decades now, and I saw no reason to change course in this thread. It beggars belief that you’re taking this stupid point seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Firebreather1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47c2d/32.png) [@Firebreather1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Firebreather1)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/158 "2017-03-20T02:42:52Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Do you know how to tell if someone is a retard? Statements like the bit highlighted above. So, you’re saying anyone who believes there are smug people in this country who try to force group-think on people who might disagree with them is automatically a retard? ---
**Author:** ![Firebreather1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47c2d/32.png) [@Firebreather1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Firebreather1)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/159 "2017-03-20T02:46:04Z")
Okay, now [_this_](http://www.thesocialmemo.org/2017/03/teen-vogue-contributor-white-people-are.html) definitely takes the cake for stupid SJW bullshit of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443/160 "2017-03-20T02:47:25Z")
> [@Firebreather1](#): > > So, you’re saying anyone who believes there are smug people in this country who try to force group-think on people who might disagree with them is automatically a retard? If you think this is a left wing thing, you would be a retard, yes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-social-justice-warrior-bullshit-o-the-day/782443.md?page=9)