Stupidest product design you’ve experienced

On windows laptops one of the function keys double as a “turn off touchpad” key. The symbol to me looks like an old Apple Macintosh with a slash across. When I know what it’s supposed to mean I can sort of see it, but not really.

The only times I’ve ever had to think about it is when my mother get a new laptop, accidentally hit that key once, don’t understand why the mouse suddenly disappears, then call me to troubleshoot it over the phone. Last time I had never heard about those keys. Don’t remember how I solved it, possibly it was not over the phone but when I visited them.

So this time I sort of knew what had happened, so managed to help her with some trial and error since which key on the keyboard does this apparently isn’t standardized.

But why have such a problematic function toggled by a single press of a key? I have occasionally used an external mouse with a laptop, never had a problem with the touchpad. Put it in the controlpanel, there’s far more useful functions buried deep in there.

Had to buy a new microwave a short time back, an emergency purpose. Ended up with a brand called Vissani from Home Depot, works very well, mostly. For whatever reason some knothead decided to program it in such a way that when you start the kitchen timer, after a few seconds it reverts back to showing the clock, and in order to see how much time you have left, you actually have to push the timer button again. PITA when all I want to do is glance at it and see how much time is left.

That would see me taking a shotgun to said microwave. Truly, mind-blowingly idiotic.

Windows and MS have nothing directly to do with this.

Since shortly after 3rd party accessory keyboards were first sold for desktop PC/XTs, manufacturers have competed to make the Fn keys also have stupid “convenience” functions. Which are implemented in the custom driver that goes with the keyboard. Windows is a victim of this stupidity just as much as your Mom is.

All delivered with varying degrees of stupidity and inconvenience. A dedicated key to open the browser? Really? Morons. But in the early days of the consumer internet / WWW, that was totally de riguer. With the advent of laptops with integral keyboards, the stupidity competition moved from e.g. Logitech to e.g. Dell. But it did not slow down.

Blame Mom’s laptop’s manufacturer, not MS. My own tablet’s 3rd party keyboard has screen brightness up & down, audio volume up, down, & mute, skip audio / video track to end, and keyboard backlight off/on.

Which are totally different “convenience” functions from the last keyboard I had for the very same tablet. How “convenient”.

I habitually use F2 to rename files. We have a couple of computers at work where the keyboard maps F2 to the volume control, and I have to use the Fn key + F2 for the rename shortcut. Pisses me off every time it happens.

I did that too for a long time, but have long found a better method: left-click on the file name twice with a gap of about a second, and you are able to edit the name. Note that this is different from a quick double-click, which would open the file, the interval depends on your double-click mouse settings, but for most cases about a second is good.

Which is “better” is probably a matter of taste. And is also probably situational depending on whether your hand is already on your mouse or already on your keyboard.

Many folks, mostly IT types, can go many minutes between touching the mouse. While still jumping all over the screen.

Yeah, I know, I’m an IT guy myself and still can do anything in Windows with only the keyboard. But sometimes the mouse way to get into edit mode for file names is faster, especially on laptops where the F-keys are mapped to non-standard functions.

In my experience (mostly Macs), on laptops, you can toggle which of the two options for a function key you need to hold [Fn] for. So you could set it so you use just [F2] for rename, and [Fn][F2] for volume control.

yes, and it takes what feels like 11 clicks to actually turn off the computer under windows (if you are luckt to find the icon that hides this function).

… and same is true for turning off wifi (or is it airplane-mode-on?) with a single keystroke…

I dont want to know how many 100s of collective man-years were lost on this planet due to this stupid design (and the fact that the key sits right next to the “turn up brightness key”) on a dell notebook. Hard to diagnose, also … hey my internet stopped working

My mother meant to use one of the “turn brightness up/down” keys when she hit the “turn on/off touchpad” key. She reported that there was a pop-up text when she turned it on again, that she probably missed when she accidentally turned it off. That wasn’t on the old one, so maybe they’ve been clued into some of the problems in this design.

On my keyboard there’s also a “turn off screen” key. The fact that you have instantanious visual feedback might make it less of a problem, if it makes it more obvious that the keypress caused the black screen and another press will bring it back. Still, who needs this function.

I’m a programmer and I use the mouse a LOT.

But I do a bunch of cut and paste and changing and moving screens around.

I have two video camcorders that I use frequently, a Canon and a Panasonic. On the Canon, a red dot on the screen means “recording paused,” and a green one means “recording in progress.” On the Panasonic, the red/green coding is reversed. (Or maybe it’s the other way around; I forget.)

I am often using both cameras at once, in a multi-camera shoot.

Both camera’s buttons are push/push instead of a toggle which would show the situation as physically (or virtually) Up/Down. If you don’t push hard enough, it might not register at all without the operator knowing, resulting in the opposite action from what was intended.

There is no other confirmation that what you want is what you get other than the counter (no big flashing REC display, which would be useful). So many is the time that I have pressed a button to record, only to find out too late that I stopped it instead.

I have learned to ignore the colors and watch the counter for a few seconds after pressing a button to confirm what is happening.

On another subject (but still stupid product design)…Our town hall, constructed with a state-of-the-art design in 2009, has a “modern” heating/cooling system. It can be programmed to heat up or cool down any individual room at any day and any time, in advance. Sounds good, right?

But the main controls are in the clerk’s office, often locked when a committee meeting or other function takes place at non-office hours. Sometimes the clerk forgets to program the system for a particular time, or she doesn’t plan to warm up the room a minute before the official start time. It takes about a half-hour to get up or down to speed.

So you come in for the meeting; the room is too cold or too hot and the clerk is not around. There is no informational display in the affected room except for a tiny box with a tiny slider and a tiny temperature chart. Is the system on or off? Set for the time? What time? How turn it on or override the automatic system? Can it be overridden? Will a manual setting be overridden when the auto system kicks in? Absolutely no way to tell. Even the clerk doesn’t know the status instantly, and she has to get into a computer program to investigate.

It took me a long time to learn that nothing will happen with this tiny control box unless you first press an UNLABELED, tiny key, the equivalent of “start something”. Is this a push/push key? did I push it hard enough? No way to tell.

Sometimes the mania for automatic systems runs amuck. When the building was first constructed, some smaller rooms had automatic lighting systems that were supposed to sense a human presence, turn on the room lights, then turn them off when human activity ceased.

Except it didn’t work. When you went into a room, you might have to jump around or wave your arms wildly so it recognized the light was supposed to be turned on. Conversely, if you were in a room, sitting at a desk for a few minutes, it thought no one was there, and turned the lights off.

Many is the time that the lights in one room appear to be always on, but no person has been there for hours or days. They can’t be turned off, since there is no switch.

Yes, I know the system could be reprogrammed to be more or less sensitive, but that must be done by a technician, who charges $50 per hour plus roundtrip travel time (he’s an hour away). The time and sensitivity adjustments are a screwdriver control in the light switch with no calibration or indicator. The only way you can set it is try again and again until it works right. Since frequently calling the technician isn’t feasible, the switch never works right.

I got tired of the lights not turning on or turning off prematurely in my office, so I had the auto switch replaced with a standard off/on toggle. This works perfectly.

And how do you toggle this? With yet another physical key, or is it an OS setting?

For homes and hotel rooms yes. But for public egress like stores, hotel lobbies, etc. isn’t that a violation of Federal law after the Cocoanut Grove fire?

IIRC, an OS setting, but it’s been a long time since I’ve needed to look it up, since my newest computer is a desktop with which I use an old keyboard without all those extra features.

I can’t find it now in System Settings, but maybe it doesn’t show up at all unless you have such a keyboard.

I looked for it in Windows 11 on my laptop and found nothing.

If that “swap Fn” feature exists, it will be in the control panel app for that specific brand and model of keyboard. Some PC keyboard control panels might have that feature but I’ve never encountered it on any of my keyboards with these useless add-on Fn (in more ways than one :wink: ) “convenience” shortcuts.

I have a rather new (purchased 4 months ago) HP laptop, but there isn’t a proprietary control panel app from HP. Seems like I’m out of luck, because this machine requires Fn to activate the standard Windows functions of the F-keys which pisses me off.

No, not at all. It’s true that most stores (Use Group M under the IBC) and performance venues (usually Use Group A) have special requirements, but you will see inward opening egress doors with “EXIT” signs pretty often if you look for them. Plus, big stores and venues have occupant loads that are well above 50 persons.

Here’s an example: Using the International Building Code (IBC) as a basis, we might identify an office suite as Use Group B (Business). Let’s say it has a couple doors to the corridor that open inward towards the leased office space and that it is 4,500 square feet. The calculated occupancy of the suite is 45 persons (4500 sq. ft./100=45 persons) and so the egress doors do NOT have to swing in the direction of travel. (If the occupancy was 50 or more, they WOULD have to swing outwards.) Due to the length of the common path of travel, both doors are probably required to be egress doors. They have to be provided with signage, and it is likely that there will be at least one other directional “EXIT” sign someplace in the space to point you towards the exits.

I see this type of situation all the time in professional offices…doctor’s offices, lawyers’, accountants’, etc. There are LOTS and LOTS of doors with “EXIT” signs that do not swing in the direction of travel.

Caveat: This is not to be taken as engineering or space planning advice. Seek out a properly-qualified and licensed professional for egress planning services.