# Subaru Outback vs.... well, what? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 17, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406 "2009-04-17T13:07:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/1 "2009-04-17T13:07:39Z")
I’m in the market for a new small/midsize car, with the following specs: - Hatchback or wagon - All wheel drive - MSRP at most $23K - I wanna drive it for ten years Naturally, I looked at the Outback, the Forester, and the Impreza first, all 2.5i. I don’t really have the need for a ton of power, so I’m not even bothering with the turbos or the six-bangers. The Impreza doesn’t do it for me because I don’t gain anything in fuel economy for the reduced size and weight. The Forester doesn’t do it for me because I prefer the Outback’s lower center of gravity, and it’s not really all that much cheaper. I figure, after incentives, my trade in, and a bit of a down payment, I can drive off the lot in an Outback for about $15k. I’m test driving one this weekend. But I still need to do my due diligence and see if there’s anything comparable available from other manufacturers. I know Toyota briefly offered an AWD option on the Matrix, but they don’t seem to have that any more. Are there any other models I should be looking at? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/2 "2009-04-17T13:19:47Z")
Isn’t one of the little Suzuki hatches available with AWD? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/3 "2009-04-17T13:21:29Z")
Toyota RAV4 and Honda CRV are both 4WD and not too big. The RAV4 has a V6 option. Ford Escape is similar to those 2. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/4 "2009-04-17T13:22:19Z")
According to the Toyota website, the Matrix S has AWD. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/5 "2009-04-17T13:45:18Z")
I think all the Subarus have AWD. I’m going to cast my vote for the Forester - I’ve had one for 8 years, 131K miles, and am considering getting another one soon. Low-end models run about $20-22K I think. Sure the Outback is a little lower but the Forester has more room I believe. They have gotten a bit bigger over the years and are more like a small SUV now but the gas milage looks OK and they have clear up a few minor problems. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/6 "2009-04-17T13:52:47Z")
Had an Outback Impreza wagon for several years. It was too small and had no get-up-and-go. It was also noticeably “cheaper” than the Legacy, by which I mean the interior seat covers, panels and such. Other than that, it was well designed from a space POV and it ran okay with few mechanical issues. I would buy a Subaru again and even an Outback, if it was the more powerful, nicer Legacy version. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/7 "2009-04-17T15:08:21Z")
Other AWD cars in the general price range: Suzuki SX4 Toyota Matrix S Pontiac Vibe Nissan Rogue Honda CRV Toyata Rav4 There are other trucks that I’ve excluded and lots more if you’re willing to spend a bit more money. [http://www.awdreport.com/](http://www.awdreport.com/) ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/8 "2009-04-17T15:13:04Z")
If you find any true wagons, let me know. I’m not in the market yet, but I’d like to know there are some out there. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/9 "2009-04-17T15:39:40Z")
I think you’ll find that the Suzuki SX4 has lots of interior space and a high level of standard equipment at a very reasonable price. I own the SX4’s predecessor, the Aerio (well, actually, we own two) and it’s been a fine car, very reliable. 80K miles and still going strong. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/10 "2009-04-17T15:41:30Z")
Honda Element? several people in our paddling/kayak club have them for our outdoorsy/mildly offroady activities and really seem to like them. No idea on cost blah blah blah, but they do seem quite well thought out and utilitarian. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/11 "2009-04-17T15:52:37Z")
Hyundai has a wagon coming out (maybe it already is) called the Elantra Touring, but I don’t know if it has AWD. The new Toyota Venza has an AWD option. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/12 "2009-04-17T16:46:20Z")
That little Pontiac Vibe is adorable, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/13 "2009-04-17T16:51:49Z")
Note that the Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Matrix are clones that only differ in styling. I have an Element and really like it. The boxiness gives lots and lots of room, but it does hinder highway fuel economy a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/14 "2009-04-17T20:12:26Z")
My wife has owned 2 CRVs and has loved both of them. My only complaint was that the seats were too firm but getting a pricier model might have fixed that. At the time, they were not full-time AWD like Subarus are. The AWD only kicked in if the vehicle detected that the front wheels were slipping. I don’t know if they still make them like that or not. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/15 "2009-04-17T20:19:14Z")
Saturn is giving killer deals on the Vue recently. I bought an '08 and like it a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/16 "2009-04-17T22:10:31Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > Sure the Outback is a little lower but the Forester has more room I believe. If you mean cargo space, not true. I was surprised myself. I had an '03 Forester with over 100K on it and when I went to trade it in on a new 2006 model in December '05, the literature and my own external research confirmed that the Outback had more cargo space. The Forester is _slightly_ bigger in the cabin, as in maybe an inch or so in each category, but the Outback has noticeably more cargo space. Bear in mind this is the '06 Forester vs. the '06 Outback. I bought the '06 Outback and have been very happy with it. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/17 "2009-04-19T22:30:28Z")
Thanks for the input, folks. I’ll be driving Outbacks and Matrix S’s this week. Man, that Venza looks sweet, though I dunno if the 12hp it has on the Matrix is gonna be much use slinging around an extra 700 pounds. If I had the money to burn, I’d definitely look at the V6. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/18 "2009-04-19T23:32:10Z")
> [@black\_rabbit](#): > > Thanks for the input, folks. I’ll be driving Outbacks and Matrix S’s this week. > > Man, that Venza looks sweet, though I dunno if the 12hp it has on the Matrix is gonna be much use slinging around an extra 700 pounds. If I had the money to burn, I’d definitely look at the V6. You also owe it to yourself to investigate the new [2010 Mazda3](http://jalopnik.com/5196876/2010-mazda3-first-drive/). It’s getting rave reviews so far. Also check the [Volvo C30](http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Volvo_C30/). It shares some of the same underpinnings as the Mazda if you want to get a nicer cabin. Neither is AWD, but it’s worth expanding your search to see what you are sacrificing for that feature. ---
**Author:** ![TastesLikeBurning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@TastesLikeBurning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TastesLikeBurning)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/19 "2009-04-19T23:52:06Z")
> [@black\_rabbit](#): > > Thanks for the input, folks. I’ll be driving Outbacks and Matrix S’s this week. > > Man, that Venza looks sweet, though I dunno if the 12hp it has on the Matrix is gonna be much use slinging around an extra 700 pounds. If I had the money to burn, I’d definitely look at the V6. In Australia, the difference between the Liberty (what we call the Legacy) and the Outback is largely cosmetic, except the Outback rides a little higher. Why not test drive a Legacy? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406/20 "2009-04-20T04:29:02Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Also check the [Volvo C30](http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Volvo_C30/). It shares some of the same underpinnings as the Mazda if you want to get a nicer cabin. > . I love my C30, but it’s really in a different class than the Forester. I’d call the Forester a Station wagon with a little SUV. The C30 is a sports car with a little station wagon. It does not have AWD and it sits fairly low. Now the new Volvo XC60 would work, but it runs $10K more than a Forester. Fantastic car, likely the safest on the planet. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subaru-outback-vs-well-what/493406.md?page=2)