# Subliminal Seduction - Fact or Fantasy ?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subliminal-seduction-fact-or-fantasy/1685>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [June 28, 1999, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subliminal-seduction-fact-or-fantasy/1685 "1999-06-28T00:53:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 1999, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subliminal-seduction-fact-or-fantasy/1685/41 "1999-06-30T21:04:00Z")

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> As I have mentioned earlier I have read Subliminal Seduction in the early 1980’s but in reality I had forgotten how  
> provocative and ground-shattering his ideas and hypotheses were. Hence my innocent entrance into this thread.  
> I really was expecting a debunking along the lines of “Yeah, it’s there, but it can’t be tested in a clinical situation”, “it’s a shot in the dark”, “absolutely no noticable effect”, etc. I have yet to see it. If these others who publicly state that they doubt the validity of Dr. Key’s work really believe what they publicly pronounce, I sincerely doubt that they would invest as much time and energy as they have here in an attempt  
> to discredit him and on top of that, placate me with shallow propaganda, junk science and threats of censorship. Their motivations to me are cystal clear.

Please answer my questions. Stating that everyone is personally attacking you & Keys “so there must be something behind it” doesn’t count as evidence of anything. Its true that people thought Galileo’s ideas were crazy- but they also thought the same thing about Charles Manson’s ideas too.

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**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 1999, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subliminal-seduction-fact-or-fantasy/1685/42 "1999-06-30T23:54:00Z")

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**Mojo** wrote:

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> “Stating that everyone is personally attacking you & Key “so there must be something behind it” doesn’t count as evidence of anything.”

Thanks for restating the painfully obvious **Mojo.**

Oh but it does. Even junk science must of had the most banal and illogical of origins.

Perhaps there is something to be said for being able to think on your feet. I don’t know.

Considering that personal attacks do nothing but keep this and any other dialog at an extremely superficial level, it is almost comical to see such behavior in a thread about **subliminal** advertising techniques, such as this.

Q.E.D.

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“Right is only half of what’s wrong” - George Harrison _- Old Brown Shoe -_

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**Post date:** [July 1, 1999, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/subliminal-seduction-fact-or-fantasy/1685/43 "1999-07-01T00:58:00Z")

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Hey guys? There’s a one-legged man in your ass-kicking contest.

## This thread has degenerated into nothingness. All the facts are in evidence, and I see no point in further eye-gouging. Thank you all for your spirited input.

Nickrz  
For The Straight Dope

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