# Succession on HBO **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [June 4, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428 "2018-06-04T19:34:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/361 "2023-05-02T21:23:14Z")
Just noticed that, for his underrated film _Margaret_ (2011) (trailer [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YAiS-3EhMI)), Kenneth Lonergan cast no fewer than three actors now appearing in _Succession_: Kieran Culkin (Roman), J. Smith-Cameron (Gerri), and Jeannie Berlin (Cyd). In fact, Lonergan is married to Smith-Cameron. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/362 "2023-05-03T20:04:03Z")
I’m finally caught up on this season! I’ve been enjoying it. Having Logan die (mostly) offstage was a gutsy move, but I think it worked. The kids’ varied reactions to his death were nothing less than a master class in great acting. The wake showed what the wake showed, but I do wish we’d had a funeral scene or even episode. They could have packed a lot into that. On the corporate side, the sibs’ impulsive and erratic conduct, veering from being gung-ho and totally on-board for this deal or that, to deciding to secretly undermine it, to then openly opposing it, only proves the accuracy of their dad’s brutal, all-cards-on-the-table summation: “I love you, but you are _not_ serious people.” I hope we see the outcome of the presidential race before the show ends, with Dem candidate Jimenez decisively beating GOP/Neofascist candidate Mencken, and that that’s one more domino tumbling in the eventual downfall of the Roy empire. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Tom had to have walked away from Karl with grill marks on his hindquarters. LOL. Yeah, I think that’s my favorite scene of the season so far. A truly _epic_ burn: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8x7gYl4FO0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8x7gYl4FO0) Anyone else remember David Rausche, the actor who plays Karl, in the lead role of the Eighties cop comedy _Sledge Hammer_? Quite a different role! > [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > We still have the will to deal with. I have to think that Logan owned a significant number of shares and those have to be either sold or distributed. If Kendall was bragging last season that liquidating his shares would net him about two billion, then Logan’s net worth has to be several multiples of that. > > The ex-wives come into play here, too. Marcia probably has claim to any joint assets like the NY apartment but you can bet she doesn’t get everything. All good points. Logan’s will could totally change the landscape… or the show could just not address it at all. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/363 "2023-05-03T20:27:06Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Anyone else remember David Rausche, the actor who plays Karl, in the lead role of the Eighties cop comedy _Sledge Hammer_? That was a favorite of mine as a kid. “Trust me. I know what I’m doing!” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/364 "2023-05-03T20:34:00Z")
Ka-BLAM! ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/365 "2023-05-03T21:43:14Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > The ex-wives come into play here, too. Marcia probably has claim to any joint assets like the NY apartment but you can bet she doesn’t get everything. If she doesn’t own the apartment, she’s pulled a pretty neat scam by selling it to Connor for $63 million. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/366 "2023-05-03T22:03:09Z")
I saw an article suggesting that Connor overpaid; both based on the real-world value of that townhouse and on the fact that Marcia agreed so quickly to his offer. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/367 "2023-05-03T22:34:45Z")
Yeah, given the choice between the two of them, I’d take Marcia on my negotiating team over Connor any day. He’s a rube compared to her. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/368 "2023-05-05T02:58:59Z")
I’m 8 episodes into season 1 of Succession and I’m hooked—I think it’s a great show across the board. It’s hard to feel empathy for a family of shallow, cut-throat billionaires who sell their souls for power, but Succession succeeds. It’s a reminder that great wealth doesn’t translate to happiness. I’m especially drawn in by Nicholas Britell’s music score. Britell is a Julliard-trained composer with a heavy upbringing on piano, and it shows. His dark gravitas score has the feeling of Chopin’s nocturnes. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/369 "2023-05-05T03:32:33Z")
I think I saw the same article; it annoyed me. There’s no real world value of that townhouse because it doesn’t exist. It was filmed at a real location that is worth $X, but that doesn’t mean the in-universe townhouse is at the same address or has the same dimensions/amenities. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/370 "2023-05-08T03:02:20Z")
Welp, I think Tom and Shiv are officially done. 😮 One of the most brutal conversations on a show filled with them. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/371 "2023-05-08T13:16:19Z")
Tom telling Shiv she won’t be a good mother echoes what her own mother told her last season. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/372 "2023-05-08T14:01:42Z")
And she hasn’t told anyone she’s pregnant yet. When does that bombshell drop? (And whose child is it?) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/373 "2023-05-08T16:33:36Z")
Yeah, that balcony scene was scorching. “Clear the air” indeed. Yikes. Roman trying to browbeat Connor into accepting a third-tier ambassadorship was painful, too (right down to him referring to Willa as Connor’s “wife” in scare quotes, to both their faces). It’d be sweet to see Connor now actually become the GOP spoiler in the election. Glad to see Nate again - always kinda liked that guy. Hope to see him end up in the Jimenez White House. Kendall’s sidewalk scene with his ex-wife was certainly cringeworthy. Like father, like son. Matsson was his usual capricious, jerky, arrogant self at the party. I suspect his comms director is doing just what he wants her to do. The India secret seems too good to be true, from the Roys’ perspective. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/374 "2023-05-08T17:00:50Z")
Roman is clearly spiraling out. It wouldn’t surprise me if he killed himself, I also thought that Tom might jump off that balcony. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/375 "2023-05-08T17:06:53Z")
I thought exactly the same about Tom. And how dumb do you have to be to lay off dozens, maybe a hundred, of your TV network’s staff _the day before freakin’ Election Day?_ ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/376 "2023-05-08T17:46:05Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Matsson was his usual capricious, jerky, arrogant self at the party. I suspect his comms director is doing just what he wants her to do. The India secret seems too good to be true, from the Roys’ perspective. There is no way that the fight with Ebba and her dropping the India bomb wasn’t completely staged. Mattson is preparing to fuck those guys. Prior to the blow up, Tom and Shiv were banging again. Isn’t she far enough along to have a baby bump? ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/377 "2023-05-08T19:55:49Z")
I’m getting the feeling Kendall will take over the company or fail spectacularly - he’s the only one actually trying. I don’t see Shiv or Roman with an angle anymore - Roman never tried/failed; Shiv is still too passive/non-committal. It seemed like this episode made this much clearer - it’s Kendall or bust. It’ll be fun to watch as Kendall has been trying to do this since the start of the series; and where the others all end up. Late Edit: But I think it’s plausible Tom (and Greg) end up on Team Kendall and do just fine. Tom could be like Kendall’s “Frank”. Loyal right-hand man. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/378 "2023-05-08T20:06:15Z")
The Connor thing: I don’t see how a third-party candidate dropping out less than 12 hours before polls open across the country could affect the election at all. With early voting so common-place nowadays, his dropping out would mean absolutely nothing for either Jiminez or the Nazi. It’s not like his name’s coming off the ballot, and anyone willing to vote for a third party candidate who’s polling at less than 10% won’t be swayed from doing so just because he says he’s “dropped out.” Hell, I’d wager most people wanting to vote for Connor wouldn’t even hear he dropped out until after the election’s over. This seemed like a silly plotline to me. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/379 "2023-05-08T20:08:53Z")
I agree unless he made a statement that he wanted his people to vote for Mencken. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428/380 "2023-05-08T20:46:54Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I don’t see how a third-party candidate dropping out less than 12 hours before polls open across the country could affect the election at all Eh, I don’t think it’s impossible, if one assumes the election will come down to a few thousand votes in one or two battleground states, as seems to be the case lately. And it doesn’t have to be certain that it _would_ make a difference, just plausible enough for a desperate candidate to grasp it as a straw. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/succession-on-hbo/815428.md?page=20)