# "Suck for Luck" - The 0-16 NFL Season Thread (2011 Ed.) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 8, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661 "2011-09-08T21:06:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TheonX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed8c4c/32.png) [@TheonX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheonX)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/81 "2011-11-01T09:47:37Z")
Nope, as an outside observer, Indianapolis is by far the most interesting team that could get to draft Luck. How hurt is Manning? How much would he resent having a clock placed on the rest of his career? If you trade luck, could you cobble together enough picks to win Manning another Super Bowl or two? How much loyalty does Indianapolis owe Manning - all in in an attempt to win him another Superbowl (which in brutal honesty I think his reputation could use) even if it hurts their long term success? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/82 "2011-11-01T15:03:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m utterly exhausted of a wasted deckade trying to land a good QB on the cheap and even if Luck busting would set the franchise back even further - if that’s possible - I’d be willing to take the gamble just to have the chance to not be ass. I still think McCoy will turn out to be a decent quarterback, if he’s actually given someone to throw to. That said, there is no reason to bet the farm on Luck. For a guy who’s supposed to be the Second Coming, his numbers are fairly pedestrian despite playing in a conference that doesn’t have any defenses. Landry Jones has the same upside and a third of the price tag. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/83 "2011-11-01T15:31:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That said, there is no reason to bet the farm on Luck. For a guy who’s supposed to be the Second Coming, his numbers are fairly pedestrian despite playing in a conference that doesn’t have any defenses. I’m not sure raw stats in college is the best measure of success in the NFL. Keenum, Griffen, and Moore (QB’s with higher passer efficiency ratings in the NCAA) all run a version of the spread offense, while Luck is in a heavily pro style offense. His experience in that kind of offense is one of the things that greatly increases his value and decreases the likelihood of busthood. I think that could be the biggest thing the NFL likes about Luck, his bust potential is so much lower than many QB’s coming out. > [@RNATB](#): > > Landry Jones has the same upside and a third of the price tag. Again, even accepting Jones’ has the same upside as Luck (I don’t think he does, but I’ve got a big ole’ mancrush on Luck), I think Jones bust potential is much higher, and his floor much lower, than Luck’s. Also, Jones may very well go in the top 10, maybe top 5, so his price tag isn’t that low. I do think that the QB class year will be much better than many in recent memory. Luck, Jones, and Barkley may all be top 10 picks, and there’s some depth at the position so teams could grab Moore, Tannehill, Griffin, Wilson, Cousins, or even Nick Foles and may find a starter at QB. But I do think Luck is all that and a bag of chips, even if his stats aren’t gaudy. ETA: Of course we’re early in the draft season, so it’s all positive now. There will certainly be more negatives showing up about all these guys as the draft gets closer. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/84 "2011-11-01T15:38:45Z")
_shrug_ It’s not as though Luck plays in a run-heavy offense. I agree that it’s not fair to compare him with Timmy Chang or something, but Moore definitely does not play in a spread; Boise just runs zone read plays occasionally. Luck might be all that and a bag of chips; the question is whether he’s the only one who’s all that plus chips, and I don’t think he is. All that’s certain is that he’s the only one who will cost 2+ first round picks. Hell, I’d rather have Kellen ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/85 "2011-11-01T16:31:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Hell, I’d rather have Kellen Straight up? You’d rather have Kellen Moore than Andrew Luck? Any chance you’d be interested in a wager on their success in the NFL? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/86 "2011-11-01T16:40:42Z")
No… I must have cut off the last half of that sentence, and now I don’t remember what it said. I wouldn’t take either of them first overall, though. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/87 "2011-11-01T19:04:36Z")
I wasn’t _intending_ this to be a debate on Andrew Luck’s worthiness of the top pick, but I’ll go ahead and say it: he’ll win a Super Bowl. Or two. I’d give three 1st Rounders for him, and I wouldn’t trade the pick away if I had it. Kellen Moore will probably also have success. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/88 "2011-11-06T16:56:52Z")
Midwest Sports Fans takes a [shot](http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1HxYfx/www.midwestsportsfans.com/2011/11/photo-story-sucks-for-luck-starring-andrew-luck-peyton-manning-and-with-special-musical-guest-jim-irsay/) at “Suck for Luck”. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/89 "2011-11-06T20:53:37Z")
And, short of a miraculous comback by either the Colts in thier game or KC against Miami, the Colts stand alone. We can probably start looking at 1-15 teams, now. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/90 "2011-11-06T22:17:40Z")
Yup, not too many of those, either. Damn Miami, they choke away so many leads, now they choked away their perfect season. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/91 "2011-11-06T23:11:49Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I would be remiss, if I didn’t provide an obligatory link to [Millenball.](http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/2acb1b0156/millenball) [[FunnyOrDie.com](http://FunnyOrDie.com), SFW] > > My best friend wrote it and made it on a whim, he also stars as Millen (and those are my kids in this). Enjoy. > > Good luck with your losses and humility! That was funny! “Who told you that?” “Mommy, my best friend … the Internet … common sense …” ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/92 "2011-11-07T00:44:06Z")
Whew, St. Louis still in the running. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/93 "2011-11-07T02:17:19Z")
Huh? The Colts are 0-9. St. Louis beat the Saints last week. I suppose they’re not out of the running, but the Colts are leading (from behind) right now. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/94 "2011-11-07T02:17:56Z")
Right, I don’t mean they’re in the running for 0-16, but they’ve still got a decent shot of getting the #1 overall pick. If they got 2 games ahead of the Colts I’d be more worried. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/95 "2011-11-07T02:33:08Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I would be remiss, if I didn’t provide an obligatory link to [Millenball.](http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/2acb1b0156/millenball) [[FunnyOrDie.com](http://FunnyOrDie.com), SFW] That was awful… but your kid’s got talent. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/96 "2011-11-07T02:42:05Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I do think that the QB class year will be much better than many in recent memory. While I don’t disagree, I’m having trouble thinking of good QB classes since 2004. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/97 "2011-11-07T03:13:15Z")
2009: Stafford and Freeman are pretty good. Sanchez isn’t bad. ---
**Author:** ![Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swords_to_Plowshares)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/98 "2011-11-07T03:46:30Z")
Disagree, Freeman and Sanchez are both pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/99 "2011-11-07T14:03:03Z")
Freeman was the sixth rated passer in the league in his first full year as a starter. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661/100 "2011-11-07T14:27:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Freeman was the sixth rated passer in the league in his first full year as a starter. And 26th (or 20th if you use QBR) this year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suck-for-luck-the-0-16-nfl-season-thread-2011-ed/595661.md?page=6)