# Suggestion of Junior Moderating vs Request to Members **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 8, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672 "2021-05-08T17:25:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/101 "2021-05-24T17:06:19Z")
Yeah, Jobs had some misses. He had a lot of hits, though. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/102 "2021-05-24T17:53:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > See, here, again, you are doing what you told me not to do–“posting your imaginings about what I post.” You are using propaganda language against me, saying that I am “ranting”, implying that I am in a spittle-flecked apoplexy as I pound away with rage on the keyboard. But it was nothing more to me than one casual conversation out of many casual conversations I’m having on this board. You are the one getting highly emotional, making personal attacks against me, and making false accusations against me. No, you are ranting. All the “social engineering” and being “forced” to post in a certain way to please Big Discourse, on a board that you voluntarily post on, is ridiculous. Add to that your SMDB and Discord errors and your spelling errors, tell me you aren’t calmly discussing this subject. Next thing you know you’ll be talking about having Discourse chips implanted every time you post, and be calling people that disagree with you sheeple. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > It seems to be my sarcastic remark to codinghorror that set you off (that, and the termnity to imbed a small jpeg in the post.) See, disagreeing with you does not equal being " set off" about something you posted. I was making fun of you for posting such a stupid meme. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > When I saw that two identically-titled posts bad tbe same answer, _I thought it was interesting._ I pointed it out _in what was a joke post about it, and nothing more._ Your final point in that post was that maybe Discourse, not Discord, should answer the question. I pointed out to you that’s exactly the way reddit forums handles multiple questions on the same object. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > I already explained that it was a joke but you are still enraged by it. Trust me, that post was not directed at you. Trust me, I am not likely to ever intentionally direct a post at you again. Not enraged, amused that such a normally even keeled poster is having a meltdown about a “problem” that may happen to him sometime in the future. Especially a “problem” that has such an easy and obvious work around. If you don’t want to interact with me, fine, I think I’ll be able to live with it. though it will be quite the struggle. I happen to think that shutting out opinions that you don’t like is not a good way to discuss a problem you are trying to solve. > [@What\_Exit](#): > > This board is using **Discourse** , not **Discord**. > [@TriPolar](#): > > Well that was just a poor choice then, wasn’t it? So true, maybe TPTB should just admit they chose the wrong platform and they should have went with Discord. 😀 > [@kayaker](#): > > I’ve posted to that subreddit. Choice of title can be difficult. If you did post “what is this thing” your submission would be declined due to nonspecific title. I’ve submitted a post three or four times before the auto-moderator allowed it to be posted and reviewed by a human. How difficult are we talking here? Is it like 5 extra minutes or 35 extra minutes? I don’t know, I’ve only posted answers, not questions. I also didn’t know posts needed a human approval. How long does that take? That sub has so many posts that if I don’t look at it for a week or so, I don’t even bother trying to get back to where I left off. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/103 "2021-05-24T18:06:25Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > How difficult are we talking here? Is it like 5 extra minutes or 35 extra minutes? I don’t know, I’ve only posted answers, not questions. I also didn’t know posts needed a human approval. How long does that take? I recently posted something I saw at an outdoor beer garden. I had no idea what it was, but it was being repurposed as a drinking area/bar. My first title was “What is this repurposed structure, seen at a beer garden?” The mod-bot threw it right back at me due to the vague title. Looking at the pics I was trying to post, the ALCOA emblem was on one. I resubmitted with the title, “Beer Garden, something from the aluminum industry (ALCOA)” and it was accepted by the bot, but was then queued for human approval. It was approved a few minutes later. I think human moderator approval is only needed if the bot declines initial submission. It only took a few minutes for someone to identify my thing as a Hall–Héroult aluminum refining electrolysis cell. I mean, Duh! The junior mod in me thinks I should have PM’d my reply. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/104 "2021-05-24T18:08:20Z")
The post that seems to have created this discussion was this one on May 22 in this thread. > [@Suggestion of Junior Moderating vs Request to Members](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/60): > > All those examples are excellent. The whole process of enforcing topic title uniqueness (per domain) makes it more likely that when you click on a link, you will kinda get what you expect. That’s a net benefit to the world. I’m a TL4 on a different site and I find editing topic titles to make them better and more descriptive is maybe 70% of the job. So many people do stuff like this… [[Imgur] ](https://imgur.com/BZbhNIS) (yes, we’re working on an official theme component that dete… **codinghorror** posted this same post to twitter a couple weeks ago on May 12. It was well-received. I’m guessing he posted it here because it was on his mind and it was topical to the post he was responding to. > It’s only on the SDMB that this turns into a ranting match about . . . . something. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/105 "2021-05-24T18:46:26Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > It only took a few minutes for someone to identify my thing as a Hall–Héroult aluminum refining electrolysis cell. I mean, Duh! Thanks for the info. I was going to edit and ask you if your thing was solved, but I was too late. I bet you felt silly not knowing what that was! I see those every day, it’s like asking what a spoon is. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/106 "2021-05-24T20:54:36Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > **codinghorror** posted this same post to twitter a couple weeks ago on May 12. It was well-received. > > … > > It’s only on the SDMB that this turns into a ranting match about . . . . something. Seems like most people were applauding that he clarified the title and improved the formatting of the callstack. Not really sure how that being well-received on twitter reflects on the SDMB community for poorly receiving completely different features (nannyish message board software and in this case, specifically, forbidding duplicate titles.) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/107 "2021-05-24T20:59:06Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Not really sure how that being well-received on twitter reflects on the SDMB community for poorly receiving completely different features Yeah, I can see how they are related, because codinghorror believes that forcing people to use new titles will nudge them to them use more descriptive titles. But the topics are really very different. I am not a fan of the nannying comments, but I am a huge fan of human beings improving titles and cleaning up formatting. Kudos to him for doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/108 "2021-05-24T21:01:21Z")
But that’s my point, right? That a human editing titles (and improving the formatting as well) is fine, and generally will receive plaudits. Whereas writing software to simply nag users into doing a tangentially related thing - choosing a unique title - might get a different response? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/109 "2021-05-24T21:09:03Z")
Right. I intended my post to be obviously agreeing with you. Did I mess up? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/110 "2021-05-24T21:09:57Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Steve Jobs has actually done an excellent job of predicting what people will want better than the customers themselves have. He wasn’t always right. And sometimes he was right for a majority of customers, but not for a minority, which might sometimes include both Darren\_Garrison and me To be totally clear here, Jobs was never right for a majority of the market. He was often right for a large enough niche (and generally a wealthy niche!) to run a profitable company, and in the post-iPhone phase of Apple’s existence, to run an extremely profitable company. But iPhone users are still a minority of the smartphone market. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/111 "2021-05-24T21:10:59Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Right. I intended my post to be obviously agreeing with you. Did I mess up? I thought the first part (“I can see how they are related”) was disagreeing, though the rest seemed to be in agreement. Either way, all good 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/112 "2021-05-24T21:19:29Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > Steve Jobs has actually done an excellent job of predicting what people will want better than the customers themselves have. He wasn’t always right. And sometimes he was right for a majority of customers, but not for a minority, which might sometimes include both Darren\_Garrison and me > > To be totally clear here, Jobs was never right for a majority of the market. He was often right for a large enough niche (and generally a wealthy niche!) to run a profitable company, and in the post-iPhone phase of Apple’s existence, to run an extremely profitable company. But iPhone users are still a minority of the smartphone market. Fair. But some of the things he’s pushed people to do are quite similar to what codinghorror is pushing. So, for instance, he removed the audio jack, pushing his users to switch to wireless headsets, which I’d guess many people decided they actually preferred. It’s a pita for me, since I use that jack to connect to someone-else’s-hardware-that-ain’t-changing, but I’m the niche market. He may well have made a lot of people a little happier with their iPhones by pushing them to buy wireless headsets. My guess is that that’s codinghorror’s goal. I mean, obviously not to get people to interact with message boards with wireless headsets, but the same general idea. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/113 "2021-05-24T21:27:12Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > My guess is that that’s codinghorror’s goal. I mean, obviously not to get people to interact with message boards with wireless headsets, but the same general idea. I get your point. But Product Owners substituting in their own judgment for that of their customers and claiming they’re going to be the next Steve Jobs is the moral equivalent of every science crank and flat-earther thinking they’re going to get vindicated like Galileo. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/114 "2021-05-24T21:27:27Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > To be totally clear here, Jobs was never right for a majority of the market. He was often right for a large enough niche (and generally a wealthy niche!) to run a profitable company, and in the post-iPhone phase of Apple’s existence, to run an extremely profitable company. But iPhone users are still a minority of the smartphone market. Just because… > **[US mobile smartphone OS market share 2012-2023 | Statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held-by-smartphone-platforms-in-the-united-states/)** > > Apple's iOS continues to hold the largest share of the smartphone operating systems market in the United States, claiming more than half of the market as of July 2023. Jan 2021, iOS is 52:4% of the smartphone market, in the US. Perhaps you meant globally, where it’s about a 28% share. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/115 "2021-05-24T21:28:09Z")
Its \< 30% WW. ETA: sorry, yeah, missed the second half of your post. I meant globally. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2021, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/116 "2021-05-24T21:32:06Z")
I was surprised that globally it was that small, given the us market. Learn something new everyday! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/117 "2021-05-26T05:41:21Z")
what is this thread about, again? 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-of-junior-moderating-vs-request-to-members/941672/118 "2021-05-26T09:05:53Z")
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