# Suggestion to the posters in this thread: STFU **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431 "2008-09-07T01:14:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/21 "2008-09-08T16:15:51Z")
Why don’t you flip over the tortoise? It’s a reference to the movie Blade Runner. It is a question from the Voit-Kaumf test given to differentiate between humans and replicants. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/22 "2008-09-09T05:30:43Z")
So would you rather start a debate thread that goes nowhere due to what all agree is a fallacious analogy and then open a narcissistic pit thread when this was suggested to explain why you were right and the OP couldn’t possibly have been any better worded and all fault was with the readers, or would you rather live with a kangaroo in a small but elegant Pittsburgh apartment (which belongs to the kangaroo) with wacky Ukrainian neighbors who remind you of Lucy and Ricky Ricardo? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/23 "2008-09-09T06:36:38Z")
I’d rather do the former, because I don’t like Pittsburg. Oh. Wow. Poned. See how fuckin’ easy that was? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/24 "2008-09-09T07:14:08Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > And if you’re going to be _that_ nitpicky, make sure you at least make sense: Galileo could’ve chosen death wherein he would’ve been inevitably vindicated and posthumously thrown egg all over the face of the church. His death could have arguably made a hell of a lot _more_ sense than Socrates’. Nope. Socrates was a philosopher. So, his intellectual position and his attitude re. a death sentence inflicted upon him were very relevant. On the other hand, Galileo was a scientist. Him being stubborn or a coward wouldn’t have changed the movement of the planets, and wouldn’t have reduced his achievement by one iota. As for the rest of your rant, I won’t bother to respond more than that : My response wasn’t a nitpick, but an answer. And I couldn’t answer in any other way to your OP as posted. I stand by my guns. Next time, bring pie. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/25 "2008-09-09T07:36:44Z")
Also, Socrates was old, in ill health (his last words regarded his medical bills) and his life had become a living hell due to the war, poverty, his students’ involvement in the reign of terror, etc., plus recanting wouldn’t have saved his life anyway (it was a draconian sentence for a fairly minor charge because he had amnesty from what they were really after him for- kind of like getting Capone on tax evasion). Galileo was a middle aged man in decent health when his trouble started, a bon vivant who lived 13 years in comfort even after his recantation; he had a lot more to live for in general, the Catholic Church had already told him he could keep up his studies without interruption or interference (they in fact were eager for him to), he just couldn’t publish them (though they were published in Protestant lands due to smugglers who probably dealt with Galileo himself). They just aren’t similar situations. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/26 "2008-09-09T15:42:10Z")
Galileo was 70 - past retirement even by today’s standards - _but that’s not the point_. I find it funny that nd\_n8 is capable of admitting he knew exactly what I meant just by reading the subject line, but you in all your efforts still just can’t figure it out, can you? Yeah fucking right :rolleyes:. Just admit you’re being an asshole. Just fucking admit it. I’ll have so much more respect for you. Both of you, Sampiro and clairobscur. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/27 "2008-09-09T17:39:01Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I find it funny that nd\_n8 is capable of admitting he knew exactly what I meant just by reading the subject line, but you in all your efforts still just can’t figure it out, can you? Then I must be an idiot. I’ll try to avoid posting in threads started by you, the issues you’re pondering are obviously way beyond my limited intellect. > [@](#): > > Yeah fucking right :rolleyes:. Just admit you’re being an asshole. Just fucking admit it. I’ll have so much more respect for you. Both of you, Sampiro and clairobscur. You’ll have to keep on not respecting me, I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![jali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecae2f/32.png) [@jali](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jali)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/28 "2008-09-09T17:57:08Z")
**Cisco** , I don’t know you but I have something I want to know. My question to you: Red or Blue? Just answer the question. No nitpicking. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/29 "2008-09-09T18:13:35Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Just admit you’re being an asshole. Just fucking admit it. I’ll have so much more respect for you. Both of you, Sampiro and clairobscur. I apologize unreservedly for the actions of clairobscur. I really and truly don’t know what got into her. She wasn’t always like this, it’s just… the war and the want and the turtles all did something to her… I wish you could have known her back before… Well, I can only hope we can all go heal now, and maybe we’ll be more compassionate in the future, if God and the Fates and clairobscur will let us. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/30 "2008-09-09T18:45:07Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Anyway the only proper answer to whether one should die or stick to one’s guns is _it depends_. Exactly. What position am I defending? Am I acting alone or as part of a movement? Would my death energize the movement, slow it down, or make no difference? How much difference, to how many people, would it make if my position won or lost? Am I single or married? Do I have kids? Etc. etc. The answer is entirely situational, and by giving people two sample situations, they’re naturally going to use those to formulate their answer. And because nobody decides between two things by looking at their similarities, everybody’s going to focus on the differences. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/31 "2008-09-09T18:48:54Z")
> [@jali](#): > > **Cisco** , I don’t know you but I have something I want to know. My question to you: Red or Blue? > > Just answer the question. No nitpicking. Blue. Seriously, what’s so hard about that? Alternatively, if I couldn’t possibly force myself to answer without being a spurious bastard, I could just move along without responding. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/32 "2008-09-09T19:48:37Z")
Oh! I forgot. It’s the first time I’m pitted. It was about time after 7 years and as many thousands posts. 🙂 🙂 🙂 . Finally, I feel like I belong here. I’m sure there must be some traditional way to celebrate one’s first pitting. What would it be? ---
**Author:** ![Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/13edae/32.png) [@Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interconnected_Series_of_Tubes)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/33 "2008-09-09T19:59:52Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Oh! I forgot. It’s the first time I’m pitted. It was about time after 7 years and as many thousands posts. 🙂 🙂 🙂 . Finally, I feel like I belong here. > > I’m sure there must be some traditional way to celebrate one’s first pitting. What would it be? Hey: fuck off and die, will you? Nobody likes you and you have no friends. Also I hate the way you drive and your cubicle is disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/34 "2008-09-09T22:19:53Z")
> [@Interconnected\_Series\_of\_Tubes](#): > > Hey: fuck off and die, will you? Nobody likes you and you have no friends. Also I hate the way you drive and your cubicle is disgusting. Thanks for the effort,. 🙂 (unfortunately, I don’t drive nor work in a cubicle but, well, a pitting has to include baseless accusations, I suppose) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/35 "2008-09-09T22:25:06Z")
Just how many Galileo v. Socrates death threads is clairobscur going to have to _kill_ before the mods take action? This is already her second one just this week! God knows how many others there are or will be. And what I worry most about is … the children! ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2008, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/36 "2008-09-09T22:59:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Very much like Socrates had done centuries earlier, Galileo made enemies of the people who he could make look like fools. And very much like Socrates, Galileo’s “martyrdom” may have been intentional. > [@](#): > > In 1632, the great scientist, Galileo Galilei looked to the heavens and boldly asserted that our earth, previously thought to be the center of the universe, actually revolved around another body – the sun. For publishing an idea that ran contrary to centuries of church dogma, Galileo faced threats of excommunication and execution. The 5th-century B.C. Greek philosopher, Socrates, was infamous for his practice of catching people in their logical fallacies, by asking a series of questions. Socrates considered himself a “gadfly” – one who upsets the status quo – and for this, he was forced to drink the poisonous hemlock plant > > So what did Galileo, Socrates, Olympe de Gauges, and the civil rights workers ofMississippi all have in common, beyond their ultimate fate? Each was, in their own way, ahead of their time. They believed in ideas that were not widely accepted by those of their generation > [@](#): > > Martin Luther, Charles Darwin, **Galileo, Socrates** , Jesus Christ, Nelson Mandela, ad infinitum, are all famous examples of people who refused to reject what they truly thought and knew in their minds for the sake of peace or friendship with society or authority. Some of them paid with their lives for their commitment to their own minds, and others lost the respect of their peers for refusing to conform, for refusing to lie. > [@](#): > > The courage to disagree is often called a virtue. Galileo, Socrates and Jesus Christ are among them; three men who all suffered, because they refused to acquiesce to the opinion of the majority. These are all from the first few results when you google Galileo Socrates. Nope, nothin’ in common between those two. Apples and oranges, can’t compare ‘em. Nothin’ in common, George, nothin’ in common. Hyuk yuk yuk. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/37 "2008-09-10T00:09:24Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > These are all from the first few results when you google Galileo Socrates. Nope, nothin’ in common between those two. Apples and oranges, can’t compare ‘em. Nothin’ in common, George, nothin’ in common. Hyuk yuk yuk. Oh give it up- the thread died. It happens. It would have happened if nobody had pointed out that the differences twixt Socrates and Galileo’s deaths outweigh the similarities. Move on with your life. You’re young. You can have more threads. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431/38 "2008-09-10T00:47:21Z")
> [@Cisco discovers google](#): > > Martin Luther, Charles Darwin, Galileo, Socrates, Jesus Christ, Nelson Mandela, ad infinitum, are all famous examples of people who refused to reject what they truly thought and knew in their minds for the sake of peace or friendship with society or authority. Some of them paid with their lives for their commitment to their own minds, and others lost the respect of their peers for refusing to conform, for refusing to lie. That’s from a webpage devoted to Kenneth Kaunda and Zambian political culture. Not exactly a philosophical discourse. Great debates is for the forum for scrutiny and tough-minded analysis, little one. Try MPSIMS. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suggestion-to-the-posters-in-this-thread-stfu/462431.md?page=1)