# Suicide by Text girl convicted. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 17, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166 "2017-06-17T05:14:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/61 "2017-08-07T23:09:50Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Ok, I will ask dumb questions of you then. You asked if fraud could be committed with 1,000 texts. Can it be committed with a single communication? Is it not fraud if that communication is by SMS? To be fair (to me), I didn’t ask if fraud could be committed with 1,000 texts. I asked if sending someone 1,000 texts that said “Send me $1,000” would be fraud if they sent you the money. To answer your question, I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know if actual gain is required for something to be fraud. To put it another way, if you texted me “I’m your bank, you need to send money to avoid your account being overdrawn” if I didn’t actually send any money, could the originator of the text be prosecuted for fraud? I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/62 "2017-08-07T23:11:16Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I assumed that was going to be your answer, so we truly are at an impasse. I don’t understand this. What would you call someone who subjects themselves to physical abuse when they could easily leave? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/63 "2017-08-07T23:26:27Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t understand this. What would you call someone who subjects themselves to physical abuse when they could easily leave? For people like me and you, what seems like “easy” may not be for others. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/64 "2017-08-07T23:36:56Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > For people like me and you, what seems like “easy” may not be for others. That may be, but I thought you were talking about people who could “easily” leave. Since you said they could “easily” leave and all. A woman or man with kids and no job would of course find it hard to leave. Or other things in their life that make it NOT easy to leave. I wouldn’t dispute that. Blocking a number from texting you? Easy, no matter who you are. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/65 "2017-08-08T00:26:31Z")
That was the whole point of putting “easily” in quotes–that what seems “easy” to you and me may not be to them. Being emotionally or otherwise psychologically attached to someone may not make things as “easy” as you think. But, you know, fuck the psychologically weak and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/66 "2017-08-08T00:40:40Z")
Sorry, but I don’t believe that the draw of a text message is so psychologically overpowering that someone can’t stop reading it and cannot block it. Same for Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/67 "2017-08-08T00:42:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sorry, but I don’t believe that the draw of a text message is so psychologically overpowering that someone can’t stop reading it and cannot block it. Same for Facebook. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/68 "2017-08-08T00:43:05Z")
This poor schmuck thought he had a friend that cared about him. She used that gullibility to manipulate him into a grave. Carter is one of the most despicable and dangerous individuals I’ve read about in awhile. Imho, Carter will be a repeat offender. I feel sorry for the next victim that gets in a relationship with her. Next time it will probably be some sucker with a big, juicy life insurance policy that she can cash in. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/69 "2017-08-08T00:55:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > To be fair (to me), I didn’t ask if fraud could be committed with 1,000 texts. I asked if sending someone 1,000 texts that said “Send me $1,000” would be fraud if they sent you the money. Did the defendant in this case send 1,000 texts that said, “kill yourself?” No. So what’s your point in that scenario? Attempting to prove that words can’t influence people? > [@](#): > > To answer your question, I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know if actual gain is required for something to be fraud. To put it another way, if you texted me “I’m your bank, you need to send money to avoid your account being overdrawn” if I didn’t actually send any money, could the originator of the text be prosecuted for fraud? I don’t know. You lost me halfway through that paragraph. If someone texts somebody that sentence, and the recipient pays the money… you agree that is fraud, right? As in, a person manipulates another and makes them do something they likely would not have done. You still agree that fraud is a crime, right? If the fraud is committed online, do you think it isn’t fraud because a person has various ways of blocking the messages? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/70 "2017-08-08T01:01:32Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Did the defendant in this case send 1,000 texts that said, “kill yourself?” No. So what’s your point in that scenario? Attempting to prove that words can’t influence people? > > You lost me halfway through that paragraph. If someone texts somebody that sentence, and the recipient pays the money… you agree that is fraud, right? As in, a person manipulates another and makes them do something they likely would not have done. > > You still agree that fraud is a crime, right? If the fraud is committed online, do you think it isn’t fraud because a person has various ways of blocking the messages? I agree that fraud is a crime. I disagree that telling someone to do something without any sort of deception is fraud. Telling someone 1000 times to “kill yourself” is not fraud. Telling someone 1000 times to “Go buy heroin” is not fraud. And I disagree that “They told me to do it” is any sort of defense. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/71 "2017-08-08T01:10:50Z")
Where do you get this strawman that repeating a set phrase 1,000 times is what any fucking person on this earth is talking about in terms of harassment or manipulation generally, or what happened in this case specifically? And why must you repeat that strawman so frequently? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/72 "2017-08-08T01:13:26Z")
Where do you get the idea that someone cannot block text messages, and are physically forced to read them? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/73 "2017-08-08T01:18:23Z")
Do you have any idea how desperately this depressed kid needed a friend to talk too? Someone to share his life with? I get the impression he was introverted and probably a loner. He wasn’t going to block the texts from the one person he cared about. His desire to please Carter compelled him to get back into that car filled with CO. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/74 "2017-08-08T01:39:17Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Where do you get the idea that someone cannot block text messages, and are physically forced to read them? I’ll give $10 to your charity of choice if you can avoid strawman arguments in your next ten posts in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/75 "2017-08-08T01:39:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > His desire to please Carter compelled him to get back into that car filled with CO. How is that her fault? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/76 "2017-08-08T01:40:39Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I’ll give $10 to your charity of choice if you can avoid strawman arguments in your next ten posts in this thread. Ok. Deal! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/77 "2017-08-08T01:41:40Z")
I’ve done 2 posts, this is 3. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/78 "2017-08-08T01:42:53Z")
This is 4. Please tell me about your feelings about this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/79 "2017-08-08T01:43:56Z")
This is 5. I appreciate your username, it is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-by-text-girl-convicted/789166/80 "2017-08-08T01:45:03Z")
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