# Suicide Squad, directed by David Ayer, Sneak Peak **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114 "2015-07-14T03:12:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2015, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/21 "2015-07-14T18:50:37Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > This is movie universe, not TV universe (where Amanda Waller is typical CW casting - young and thin). And that was _Katana_ I saw, wasn’t it? I know that the movie universe can make up whatever story it wants, but wasn’t she a good gal? Katana is mostly on the darker side of the heroes - her ‘power’ is skill with a sword…it’s hard to do that non-lethally. I’m assuming she’s not a villain, but the Squad does occasionally work with the darker heroes - they’ve at least attempted to recruit Katana at least once, and worked with Batman a couple times. I think they’ve worked with Hawk, but that might have been him having the same objective as them, but working with other people. ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/22 "2015-07-14T19:06:51Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Slipknot…strangles people… And he was a Firestorm villain you say. Firestorm The Nuclear Man. How did that work, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Habeed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a587f6/32.png) [@Habeed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Habeed)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/23 "2015-07-14T19:18:10Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > If anyone would like to get a sense of the Suicide Squad without reading the comics, there is a recent Animated Movie called Batman Assault on Arkham that is really a Suicide Squad movie in disguise. Yes. I really enjoyed Assault on Arkham. Arkham looks just like it does in the games, which I feel is kinda “canon”. The movie has a lot of scenes that subvert expectations - the bad guys gun down tons of totally innocent people, there’s a scene where 2 characters are implied to have sex which is not the normal outcome, I vaguely recall it had animated nudity, Batman is shown as an unstoppable badass from the villain’s perspective, etc etc etc. ---
**Author:** ![Cartoonacy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/848f3c/32.png) [@Cartoonacy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartoonacy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/24 "2015-07-14T22:01:33Z")
> [@neofishboy](#): > > And he was a Firestorm villain you say. Firestorm The Nuclear Man. How did that work, exactly? IIRC, Firestorm’s powers don’t work on organic material; it causes a rather painful feedback. Ropes can be made of organic fibers… ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/25 "2015-07-14T22:16:27Z")
> [@Cartoonacy](#): > > IIRC, Firestorm’s powers don’t work on organic material; it causes a rather painful feedback. Ropes can be made of organic fibers… I … But … GAH! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/26 "2015-07-15T02:39:54Z")
> [@neofishboy](#): > > I … > > But … > GAH! It was always amazing how they would try to limit Firestorm’s power. It’s as bad as the problems Flash has with Captain Cold and Heatwave. ---
**Author:** ![stui\_magpie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stui_magpie/32/11010_2.png) [@stui\_magpie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stui_magpie)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/27 "2015-07-15T10:12:06Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Man, I was hoping against hope that the Joker-Juggalo makeup was one of those errors. Dude looks less intimidating than Caser Romero. Yep. That’s a piss poor looking Joker. A large part of his schtick is his look. OK so Health Ledger made the departure from the classic look with the smudgy makeup, but he did it seriously well. This look is just too far wrong, looks like the decided to start with Heath’s joker and pare back the makeup rather than start with the comics and work from there. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/28 "2015-07-15T12:49:17Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > This is movie universe, not TV universe (where Amanda Waller is typical CW casting - young and thin). And that was _Katana_ I saw, wasn’t it? I know that the movie universe can make up whatever story it wants, but wasn’t she a good gal? If they’re trying to tie this in with the setup from _The Flash_ and _Arrow,_ there were a couple people who got shoved off in Waller’s direction who might not be all that bad (they’re certainly not as bad as Green Arrow was in season 1, for example), but they don’t have a TV series named after them, so they can’t be the good guys. Some archer lady (Cupid?), and I think Katana. Maybe Huntress? Hey, all women, too. Go figure. Then again, if they’re trying to set up Deadshot from the series, he got a melanin implant in addition to the explosives, but his story arc did have him trending good. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/29 "2015-07-15T13:36:54Z")
This will have as much to do with the Arrow/Flash/etc. TV series as it does with the Batman/Superman/JL/JLU series and Smallville and Birds of Prey. Anything thoughts otherwise are just wishful thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/30 "2015-07-15T14:41:58Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > This will have as much to do with the Arrow/Flash/etc. TV series as it does with the Batman/Superman/JL/JLU series and Smallville and Birds of Prey. Anything thoughts otherwise are just wishful thinking. Right, this isn’t like Marvel where the TV shows and movies are in the same universe and tied together, and the same actors can appear in both. Arrow and Flash and Suicide Squad have some of the same characters, but they are different versions of the characters played by different actors, not all in the same universe. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/31 "2015-07-15T15:05:30Z")
They actually killed off deadshot in the tv show so there wouldn’t be any confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/32 "2015-07-15T15:18:25Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > More or less, yeah, though I haven’t seen all the recent Batman cartoons, so it’s possible she’s unconnected to him in at least one of them. > > There’ve been a couple stories about her trying to give him up…but most of them have her going back at the end. They finally had one that took…I think it came with the relaunch, but it may have been a little earlier. She’s actually attempting to date, now, and otherwise have a vaguely normal life…though only very vaguely. (She owns a wax museum, and lives above it…the building is also home to a sideshow. She has a half-burnt stuffed beaver which she talks to.) The little I have seen on this has her hooked up with Deadshot as a love interest in this movie. Lots of comparisons to the onscreen romance between Margot Robbie and Will Smith in that con movie and this one. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/33 "2015-07-15T15:28:40Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > They actually killed off deadshot in the tv show so there wouldn’t be any confusion. They also killed Thea. And Arsenal. And Arrow. Yet they all got better, usually within one episode (with Arsenal, it was the same episode). Dealing mortal wounds just ain’t what it used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/34 "2015-07-15T15:44:02Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > They also killed Thea. And Arsenal. And Arrow. Yet they all got better, usually within one episode (with Arsenal, it was the same episode). > > Dealing mortal wounds just ain’t what it used to be. Yeah, ask Superman about that. ---
**Author:** ![MegaNazz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/858c86/32.png) [@MegaNazz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MegaNazz)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114/35 "2015-07-15T17:24:57Z")
Not comparing _Suicide Squad_ to any previous _Batman_-related films but I feel like it just seems too self-aware or something based on the trailer. I’m not a Joker traditionalist or anything, but I couldn’t really get into his look here. I like Jared Leo, I like the Joker, I don’t like them together. It seems somehow forced. Still, I’m going to keep an open mind. Is the Joker supposed to be just a small part of the story here - like a cameo? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-directed-by-david-ayer-sneak-peak/725114.md?page=1)