# Suicide Squad - "Seen It" Open Spoilers Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 8, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138 "2016-08-08T14:48:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/61 "2016-08-15T15:27:16Z")
Just saw it today. A couple takeaways: –The Big Bad wasn’t Enchantress, it was June Moon. She got away with it, too, right in plain view. Enchantress will certainly be instrumental in taking her down in the sequel. –When Waller goes back to get more funding, will anyone point out that her team has yet to defeat an enemy it didn’t actually create? –I think the Social Justice critique of the film–“Harley Quinn is a domestic abuse victim!”–kind of misses the point. With the possible exception of Katana, I doubt anyone on the team wasn’t abused in their youth. –Boomerang is 'way too burly. He’s supposed to be a skinny little guy everyone underestimates. Plus, not a single one of his boomerangs ever made it back to him… ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/62 "2016-08-15T15:35:55Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > –The Big Bad wasn’t Enchantress, it was June Moon. She got away with it, too, right in plain view. Explain, please. Not sure if you got that from the movie or from other material. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/63 "2016-08-15T16:59:48Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > Plus, not a single one of his boomerangs ever made it back to him… He threw one at Katana just as Slipknot was making his break. Katana holds Boomerang against the wall with her sword at his throat. At that time he catches the boomerang he had just thrown. Not only did he catch it, but it moved to end up where he was. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/64 "2016-08-16T18:30:28Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > It’s interesting how people’s reactions seem to be split between “Joker was barely in the movie” and “Joker was in the movie far too much”. He had a bunch of scenes, but they didn’t really add to the movie at all. So yeah, both are true for me. Didn’t help that I thought he was eye-rollingly bad in both acting and characterization. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/65 "2016-08-16T18:36:28Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Explain, please. Not sure if you got that from the movie or from other material. I guess he means that she summoned Enchantress while Flagg was sleeping for no apparent reason, which was what prompted the breakout of her brother and recovery of her heart. I thought that was a sign that Enchantress has more control over June than thy thought, but maybe we were meant to understand the June was actually evil? Nothing else in the mmvie seemed to support that interpretation, though. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/66 "2016-08-19T17:32:11Z")
Saw it last night. I went in with a pretty open mind, but what a train wreck! Even as a popcorn movie there was just too many issues that deterred it from being entertaining: - Characters that didn’t need to be in there - Absolutely idiotic “goal” of rescuing Viola Davis - The story jumped around way too much. I’m wondering if there will be a directors cut when it comes out on DVD? The only way the movie I saw yesterday makes sense is if they re-splice about 45 minutes of cut footage. With the exception of Nolan’s Batman movies every DC movie I’ve seen is far inferior to even the weakest Marvel (not Sony) studio comic to film movie. I think DC needs to kidnap some writers and directors from the Marvel universe to turn their franchises around. MtM ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/67 "2016-08-19T18:07:49Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > With the exception of Nolan’s Batman movies every DC movie I’ve seen is far inferior to even the weakest Marvel (not Sony) studio comic to film movie. > > I think DC needs to kidnap some writers and directors from the Marvel universe to turn their franchises around. Bad Marvel: Hulk, Howard the Duck, All FF films, Elektra. Good DC movies: Superman (1978, and in fact this may be the best SH film of all time), Batman (1989), RED and the films you mentioned. Not to mention their\* excellent animated films. \* All DC needs to do is fire fucking Zack Snyder. He hasnt made a decent film since 300. He hates Superman and Batman. ---
**Author:** ![onething](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/df788c/32.png) [@onething](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/onething)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/68 "2016-08-19T18:28:06Z")
Not enough Joker. Really. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/69 "2016-08-19T19:12:41Z")
> [@onething](#): > > Not enough Joker. Really. WAY too much of a _bad_ joker. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/70 "2016-08-20T08:33:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Bad Marvel: Hulk, Howard the Duck, All FF films, Elektra. I think he meant the MCU movies vs. DCU, not just anything based on a Marvel character or DC character. So Marvel doesn’t get blamed for Howard the Duck, etc, and DC doesn’t get credit for Donner’s Superman(still my favorite Hackman role). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/71 "2016-08-20T16:39:34Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > I think he meant the MCU movies vs. DCU, not just anything based on a Marvel character or DC character. So Marvel doesn’t get blamed for Howard the Duck, etc, and DC doesn’t get credit for Donner’s Superman(still my favorite Hackman role). Well, thats only about a dozen films of which two (Punisher war zone and Hulk) are pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/72 "2016-08-20T21:19:24Z")
So, is Superman dead in this universe? Does everybody think he’s dead? How does this tie in with the BvS-continuity? And did I misread, or was Harley wanted for killing Robin in the character introduction card that briefly flashed across the screen? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/73 "2016-08-21T00:37:52Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > So, is Superman dead in this universe? Does everybody think he’s dead? How does this tie in with the BvS-continuity? This is after the events of BvS - in the opening, they reffered to the funeral, etc - definitely part of the same continuity. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/74 "2016-08-21T00:42:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, thats only about a dozen films of which two (Punisher war zone and Hulk) are pretty bad. It’s 14 movies and neither Punisher: War Zone nor the first Hulk movie are among them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/75 "2016-08-21T04:29:29Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > It’s 14 movies and neither Punisher: War Zone nor the first Hulk movie are among them. No but the second one is, and Punisher, WZ is a MCU film: > **[List of films based on Marvel Comics publications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics)** > > Marvel Comics is a publisher of American comic books and related media. It counts among its characters such well-known superheroes as Spider-Man, Wolverine, Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Daredevil, and Deadpool, and such teams as the Avengers, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and the Guardians of the Galaxy. Most of Marvel's fictional characters are depicted in a shared fictional universe, with most locations mirroring real-life places. Many majo... ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/76 "2016-08-21T05:40:26Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No but the second one is, and Punisher, WZ is a MCU film: > > [List of films based on Marvel Comics publications - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics) …no. Marvel might have had more of hand in it, but it is not under the MCU banner. Hence the introduction and origin of Punisher on the DD netflix show which IS part of the MCU. (I feel deja vu with this.) ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138/77 "2016-08-21T16:28:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No but the second one is, and Punisher, WZ is a MCU film: > > [List of films based on Marvel Comics publications - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics) No, it’s not. The link you just gave says right next to War Zone: Not part of the MCU. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-seen-it-open-spoilers-thread/762138.md?page=3)