# Suicide Squad. Why all the early hate? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 4, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988 "2015-08-04T17:32:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tullsterx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tullsterx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tullsterx)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/1 "2015-08-04T17:32:54Z")
Why all the online hate for Suicide Squad? What little I’ve seen looks pretty cool for a DC adaptation. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/2 "2015-08-04T17:35:55Z")
The new Joker design is awful. It’s like they decided Heath Ledger’s Joker wasn’t dark and humorless _enough_, and then one of the costume designers happened to find his 13-year-old son’s ICP CDs sitting in his glove compartment and put two and two together. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/3 "2015-08-04T17:38:25Z")
Two reasons: 1. Haters gonna hate. Some people get off on hating everything, other just anything that seems popular. Makes them feel big and cool. 2. You’re focusing just on what they’re saying. ---
**Author:** ![tullsterx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tullsterx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tullsterx)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/4 "2015-08-04T17:43:44Z")
I kinda like what I’ve seen of Leto’s joker. But, I don’t have strong opinions about the Suicide Squad or the Joker. But, I don’t get why some people hate Abram’s Star Trek either. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/5 "2015-08-04T18:15:07Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The new Joker design is awful. No, it’s not. And anyone who compares him to a Juggalo has never seen one. ---
**Author:** ![Hiker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3be4f8/32.png) [@Hiker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiker)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/6 "2015-08-04T18:43:11Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The new Joker design is awful. It’s like they decided Heath Ledger’s Joker wasn’t dark and humorless _enough_, and then one of the costume designers happened to find his 13-year-old son’s ICP CDs sitting in his glove compartment and put two and two together. Nah. I liked Ledger’s Joker, but they \*had \*to come up with something new. I think they could have done a lot worse than go with Jared Leto. In the end the looks won’t be that important anyway. The question is how well the part is written. Outside of the Nolan films the DC movies left a lot to be desired in that department. But there is always hope. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/7 "2015-08-04T19:20:47Z")
I remember when my fellow nerds were livid \*-livid- \* when the first images of Ledger’s Joker appeared. Still, early trailer does look disappointingly like a big budget episode of Arrow. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/8 "2015-08-04T19:29:38Z")
I have distaste for the movie because the comic books are dreadfully, dreadfully awful. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/9 "2015-08-04T19:33:34Z")
Truthfully, my preemptive distaste is aimed mostly at the Harlequin character. The psychopathic babydoll sex kitten mixture just strikes me as toxic and if she gets a lot of screen time, I expect it will ruin the movie for me. Well, unless she gets horribly killed. That might provide a happy ending. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/10 "2015-08-04T19:39:24Z")
It’s the most watched, most popular trailer coming out of Comic Con. Any hate you’re seeing is likely quite localized. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/11 "2015-08-04T19:45:27Z")
> [@LibrarySpy](#): > > I have distaste for the movie because the comic books are dreadfully, dreadfully awful. Don’t know about the New52 ones, but the 1980’s Ostrander Suicide Squad were sheer wonderfulness. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/12 "2015-08-04T19:50:10Z")
The recent series HAVE been pretty terrible. Despite the presence of Harley. But, yeah, the original was brilliant. So was Assault on Arkham (a Suicide Squad movie masquerading as a Batman one). ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/13 "2015-08-04T20:09:13Z")
The sense I got was both DC trailers went over extremely well and won over many Naysayers. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/14 "2015-08-05T00:29:45Z")
I’m kind of curious to see the streets of Toronto running with supervillains. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/15 "2015-08-05T01:07:56Z")
The movie seems kind of strange to me because so far DC has not attempted a cohesive cinematic universe the way Marvel has, so for all these supervillains to suddenly appear together sometimes when their arch-nemesis has not yet appeared on film just seems weird somehow. And those whose arch-nemesis who has appeared in the DC cinematic universe, and have themselves appeared like Joker, the tone of the movie they appeared in doesn’t match with Suicide Squad at least what I have seen so far. It all feels off. Imagine if Marvel after only one or two MCU movies had a bunch of villains in their own movie, AND there was no effort to match tone or continuity. It would feel off too. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/16 "2015-08-05T01:18:01Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > No, it’s not. > > And anyone who compares him to a Juggalo has never seen one. Yeah, it is. The words “I’m going to hurt you really, really bad” coming from that get-up is about as menacing as my cat. My gut reaction isn’t “Oh shit” but rather “Ok, I’m going to have to kick this dumb kid’s ass now”. While he may not literally look like a Google Image Search of “Juggalo”, he does evoke that reaction in people. That was my first thought and I’ve seen it repeated by others. “He doesn’t REALLY look like a Juggalo, he just makes you think ‘Who is that Juggalo reject?’” isn’t much of a defense. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/17 "2015-08-05T01:42:01Z")
The new Joker look kind of made me think of a Uri Geller that had gone off or been lost behind the fridge for a long period of time. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/18 "2015-08-05T02:23:45Z")
Will Smith saying “Let’s go save the world”. Again. Did nobody tell him the kind of movie he was supposed to be in, or do we get an “Awww, _HELL_ nawww!” too? And I know it’s a bandwagon, but the Joker’s look sucks: the actual Joker is not going to sit still for hours in a chair for elaborate but very 90s EDGY!!! ink done by somebody else; it looks like he got it at a place called Ink and Disorderly before going to a Blink 182 show. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/19 "2015-08-05T02:33:37Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Yeah, it is. The words “I’m going to hurt you really, really bad” coming from that get-up is about as menacing as my cat. My gut reaction isn’t “Oh shit” but rather “Ok, I’m going to have to kick this dumb kid’s ass now”. Lord almighty, you’re pulling the Internet Tough Guy act on this? Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988/20 "2015-08-05T02:40:49Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > That was my first thought and I’ve seen it repeated by others. Oh, and, by the way ‘a bunch of other people also heard the word “Juggalo” and know it has something to do with evil clowns, somehow, but don’t actually know what one is’ isn’t exactly a great defense of the accuracy of the insult. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/suicide-squad-why-all-the-early-hate/726988.md?page=2)