# Sunday Morning Lies: Cheney and Rice **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182 "2006-09-10T17:36:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/1 "2006-09-10T17:36:46Z")
While decent, respectable, God-fearing folks are at church, lefty secular slime watch the Sunday news shows. And a depressing spectacle it is, too… Advisory: links are posted to _Think Progress_, a center-lefty blog that posts the videos to be viewed, and posts the linkety-links as aid and comfort to the lazy… Tighty righty Dopers are advised: Shields Up! > **[ThinkProgress](https://thinkprogress.org/)** Richard “Big Dick” Cheney on _Meet the Press_: > [@](#): > > …This morning on Meet the Press, Cheney repeatedly cited Zarqawi as the link between pre-war Iraq and al-Qaeda. When Tim Russert mentioned the Senate Intelligence Committee report, Cheney said he “hadn’t seen it.”… He hadn’t seen it? Jesus Fuck a Shit Souffle! He hadn’t _seen_ it? I believe that was Friday, yes? Today is Sunday and he hasn’t seen it. Does sacrificing babies to Moloch take two days? And even if it were so, how is it that he is ignorant of the facts contained therein? After all these years, he doesn’t know this shit? Sweet Flaming Og, I wanted to reach into the screen and sieze his lapels and slam his face against the screen again and again and again until his skull cracks and all the green slime pours out onto the floor… Is there any reason to believe this bucket o’ pus? But soft! Soon cometh the Condi, who is more temperate and mild… > [@](#): > > …Today on Fox News Sunday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice repeated the false assertion that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda had a relationship before the 2003 invasion, despite the recent Senate Intelligence Report that found U.S. intelligence analysts strongly dispute that claim. > > Rice tried to pin the blame on then CIA Director George Tenet, saying he said, “there were ties going on between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s regime going back for a decade.” But in July, Tenet told the Senate Intelligence Committee that “the White House pressured him and that he agreed to back up the administration’s case for war despite his own agents’ doubts about the intelligence it was based on.” > > Rice also tried to dismiss the Senate report as being after-the fact, stating, “Now, are we learning more now that we have access to people like Saddam Hussein’s intelligence services? Of course.” But as Wallace pointed out, a Defense Intelligence Agency report from Feb. 2002 — before the U.S. invasion — also concluded that Iraq and Al Qaeda had no relationship: “Iraq is unlikely to have provided bin Laden any useful CB, that’s chemical or biological, knowledge or assistance.” _Rice said she did not remember seeing that report_… (emphasis added in revulsion and dismay. Shock and _ewwwwww_!) A Defense Intelligence Agency report from Feb. 2002. And she didn’t read it. Or, at any rate, it didn’t stick in her memory, busy, busy, Condi. Want to bet she read the stuff put out by the Special Office guys, like Douglas “Dumbest SOB” Feith? Was that the ghost of Nixon, hovering and whispering, “Just say you don’t remember, you can’t recall”? Condi probably smells better, I doubt she uses Old Spice. You gotta wonder when the tipping point becomes the boiling point, a angry mobs of peasants march on the WH with torches and pitchforks… Serfs Up! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/2 "2006-09-10T18:04:14Z")
Aw c’mon, you don’t expect us to believe anything we see on video on some left-wing blog, do ya? Anyway, damn right I’m not gonna remember seeing intelligence reports that undermine my case, after pushing it for so long, if I know what’s good for me. I will admit to getting a little enjoyment any time I get to see this crew squirm a bit. Thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/3 "2006-09-10T18:12:00Z")
The Big Lie has worked for these slut puppies quite well so far. If it ain’t broke … ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/4 "2006-09-10T18:20:06Z")
I watched the two vids. Cheney just doesn’t care about reality, as usual. Rice claims that the DIA reports is something that would have been folded into a bigger intelligence assessment, and conceivably tossed if the CIA Director felt that contradictory evidence was stronger. It’s possible, but that would make her a pretty shitty National Security Advisor. Well… duh. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/5 "2006-09-10T18:23:47Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] …Rice claims that the DIA reports is something that would have been folded into a bigger intelligence assessment, and conceivably tossed if the CIA Director felt that contradictory evidence was stronger. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > …But in July, Tenet told the Senate Intelligence Committee that “the White House pressured him and that he agreed to back up the administration’s case for war despite his own agents’ doubts about the intelligence it was based on.”… Contrast and compare. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/6 "2006-09-10T18:29:07Z")
Given the [rich](http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/09/bush_vs_the_mil.html) [assortment](http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=36597) [of](http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/09/liarinchief_i.html) [lies](http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/09/liarinchief_ii.html) our President told this last week, is there really any wonder that C&R are trying to cover their asses? And Andrew Sullivan nails it: > [@](#): > > I’ve been pondering the astonishing bravado of the president’s statement last week: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I want to be absolutely clear with our people, and the world: The United States does not torture. It’s against our laws, and it’s against our values. I have not authorized it - and I will not authorize it.” > > I knew it reminded me of something and yesterday, it hit me. Bush’s statement is true in his own private universe, and the criterion of his version of truth depends entirely on what the meaning of the word “torture” is. I think what you have to do is think of George W. Bush’s statement in the same light as Bill Clinton’s famous declaration that he had not had “sexual relations” with Monica Lewinsky. Both statements are semantic evasions to avoid a direct lie. Each man is using a private dictionary to redefine a word otherwise clear to any other rational person. But the broader conclusion is obvious: Clinton lied about an extra-marital affair in a civil sexual harrassment lawsuit. Bush is lying about one of the core features of a civilized and decent society in the middle of a vital war. The Republicans ridiculed Clinton for his linguistic somersaults - and even impeached him for it. They are mostly silent today. A telling contrast, I’d say. :sigh: ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/7 "2006-09-10T18:51:00Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Contrast and compare. [/QUOTE] Yes, I understand, but both are engaged in after-the-fact finger pointing, neither are trustworthy, and the only way to get a clue who’s telling the truth is to look at the document trail. It may be that CIA summaries ecluded the DIA report, which would be an indicator that Rice might be truthful in this case. Then again, there could be a copy of the DIA report somewhere with her initials checked off as having read it. I guess my pont is that she could have been truthful about this point if she relied totally on George Tenant for intelligence summaries. As National Security Advisor, IMO, she should have been seeking information from more sources. Outright lying, willful blindness, or simple incompetence? This is the rainbow of the Bush Administration. Where Condi fits on the spectrum, I’m not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![phouka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@phouka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phouka)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/8 "2006-09-10T19:37:38Z")
> [@Archive Guy's Quote](#): > > The Republicans ridiculed Clinton for his linguistic somersaults - and even impeached him for it. They are mostly silent today. A telling contrast, I’d say. That does not piss me off. At this point, I’m used to partisan politics and how a member of one’s own party cannot be criticized for fear of bringing the whole party into question. I think it’s wrong, but I just can’t get that worked up over it. Heavens knows the Democrats pull the same BS. No, what pisses me off is that the Democrats have been silent. They should be up in the Administration’s face, demanding an accounting - for the lives lost, for our civil liberties in shreds, for our nation’s loss of respect and credit with the rest of the world. Even the so called opponents of the party in power have done nothing to challenge what’s been going on, and I’ll say it’s for fear of being labeled traitors and Friends of Bin Laden. It’s about time we had an elected official with the balls to call Bush and his people on their outright lies and the harm they’ve done to the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/9 "2006-09-10T20:31:43Z")
What I “love” is when the press asks Rummy, Cheney, et. al. about something that they said which was a total fabrication, and Rummy, etc.,deny ever having said it, and then the press spring the video of them saying it. Those moments are classic. Supposedly, when the 9/11 Commission announced that they could find no link between Iraq and AQ, members of the administration came out and said that the commission lacked the information that the administration had. Now, why the _fuck_ didn’t everyone start screaming at the Administration at that point? I mean, if you’ve got a group of people who’s job it is is to find out exactly what the fuck happened, and they’re **not** being told everything they need to know (and apparently, members of the commission are now saying that they believe the Pentagon deliberately covered up their mistakes, yet nothing seems to be being done about this, like punishing those folks for lying to the commission), then how the _fuck_ are they supposed to do their job? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/10 "2006-09-10T21:31:30Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] …Supposedly, when the 9/11 Commission announced that they could find no link between Iraq and AQ, members of the administration came out and said that the commission lacked the information that the administration had. Now, why the _fuck_ didn’t everyone start screaming at the Administration at that point? I mean, if you’ve got a group of people who’s job it is is to find out exactly what the fuck happened, and they’re **not** being told everything they need to know (and apparently, members of the commission are now saying that they believe the Pentagon deliberately covered up their mistakes, yet nothing seems to be being done about this, like punishing those folks for lying to the commission), then how the _fuck_ are they supposed to do their job? [/QUOTE] Obviously they’re not. The administration was dragged into the commission kicking and screaming, because they simply don’t believe they’re accountable to anyone, except maybe “history”. Or Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/11 "2006-09-10T21:34:45Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Obviously they’re not. The administration was dragged into the commission kicking and screaming, because they simply don’t believe they’re accountable to anyone, except maybe “history”. Or Jesus. [/QUOTE] Jesus wept! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/12 "2006-09-10T21:38:10Z")
[QUOTE=samclem] Jesus wept! [/QUOTE] Yeah… pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/13 "2006-09-10T21:45:43Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] But soft! ! [/QUOTE] If you’d get off your ass and exercise you wouldn’t have to deal with this. I run fifty miles a week, and my ass is like two bowling balls. I put wheat down my shorts before I go for a jog, and when I’m done I make bread with the flour. Guess what I use for spread? Anyway, if you say those two words again, I’m going to find you, sit on your face and masticate it into pulp with my buns of steel. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/14 "2006-09-10T22:18:01Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] If you’d get off your ass and exercise you wouldn’t have to deal with this. I run fifty miles a week, and my ass is like two bowling balls. I put wheat down my shorts before I go for a jog, and when I’m done I make bread with the flour. Guess what I use for spread? Anyway, if you say those two words again, I’m going to find you, sit on your face and masticate it into pulp with my buns of steel. [/QUOTE] I have no idea what you’re talking about.. ```auto (\___/) (_\\_//_) (O.o) (> <) / \ _\ _ /_ ((_/ \_)) ``` ..so here is a bunny with a pancake on its head. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/15 "2006-09-10T22:31:12Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] If you’d get off your ass and exercise you wouldn’t have to deal with this. I run fifty miles a week, and my ass is like two bowling balls. [/QUOTE] It has six holes in it and color swirls? ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/16 "2006-09-10T22:41:53Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] It has six holes in it and color swirls? [/QUOTE] Or a single red rose suspended in each cheek. Hard to say for certain. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/17 "2006-09-10T22:43:19Z")
Scylla, did you polish your ass in the Shine-o Ball-o again? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/18 "2006-09-10T22:44:29Z")
I wouldn’t recommend sticking your fingers in there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/19 "2006-09-10T22:54:56Z")
Thank you for sharing. Please tell someone who cares. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182/20 "2006-09-10T23:10:34Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] If you’d get off your ass and exercise you wouldn’t have to deal with this. I run fifty miles a week, and my ass is like two bowling balls. I put wheat down my shorts before I go for a jog, and when I’m done I make bread with the flour. Guess what I use for spread? Anyway, if you say those two words again, I’m going to find you, sit on your face and masticate it into pulp with my buns of steel. [/QUOTE] Am I the only one that doesn’t understand EITHER the original “But Soft!” OR this bit of gibberish? In today’s news- Cheney lies, Condi lies, Pope is Catholic. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sunday-morning-lies-cheney-and-rice/372182.md?page=2)