Two things about this:
- Zidane won player of the tournament (I can never remember if that’s ball or boot, ball I think)
- That was freaking awesome.
Not quite, mate. Ali’s last fight came a year later against Trevor Berbick in the Bahamas. And it looked bad. Ali was very clearly suffering from Parkinson’s Syndrome by then, and was way out of shape. (He’d looked physically better against Holmes because he’d emaciated himself with dubious medications.) Ali won some rounds with his amazing grasp of the fundamentals, but it was very clear that he had no business in the ring with a contender. Halfway through the fight, Berbick stopped pounding on Ali’s arms and demanded that the ref stop the bout, shouting: “Do you want me to kill him?” The ref waved him back in, and the fight went the distance. He was actually pretty competitive, covering up well and landing some good jab-cross combinations, but this owed more to Berbick’s lack of boxing skill than anything else.
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given what his team did the next year, bet he has to wonder if he should have stayed around for one more season
If you think this is an argument against Brown’s leaving on top you are mistaken. It’s easy to cherry pick a couple of games, but he rushed for over 1500 yards his final season, in 14 games, good enough for second overall if he had been playing in 2009.
It’s an argument for the flavor of the thread - which is about last PERFORMANCES, not seasons.
Well, you should have taken **Elvis **to task for that, then. Absent that, your example in no way refutes the notion that Brown left at the top, which was his assertion.
He was already pretty thoroughly done by then. Jack Fisher always hotly denied grooving him that fastball, but there’s no way to be sure.
Is a “performance” a moment, a game, or a season, Munch? :dubious: I need to know if you’re worth arguing with here.
I did - by providing all stats available for the final games of the two players in question. The fact that you and Elvis can’t follow along with the point of the thread isn’t my fault.
Fancy Socialite 1: Buffy, did you go to the performance last night?
Fancy Socialite 2: I thought Enrico’s interpretation of Vivaldi was obscene.
Beer Swilling Football Fan 1: Did you see Favre’s performance last night?
Beer Swilling Football Fan 2: He had a pretty crappy game.
bouv: Don’t forget Tiki Barber.
Marley23: …last regular season game might’ve been his best one: he ran for 234 yards and three touchdowns…
ElvisL1ves: You can if you remember Jim Brown, perhaps the ultimate example of leaving at the top.
One of these things is not like the other…
That answers that, then. G’day, mate.
Regardless of whether we are off point, your example still does not refute the idea that Brown left at the top, despite your continuing disability to understand this. Jim Brown may be the prime example of a healthy athlete leaving at the top of his game.
Yes, it may be off point somewhat. It’s an internet message board. Get used to it. Or better yet, why not ignore posts that are somewhat off point, if it’s going to wad your knickers up so much?
He had a pretty damn awesome last year - 6th in the league in homers despite missing a third of the games, and if he’d qualified for the batting title he’d have finished second in batting and first in on base and slugging. His previous year may have been his only bad year with the bat, but I’d say he went out pretty close to the top.
See, here’s the thing - I’m not going to argue that Jim Brown didn’t leave with the best final season of any one in the history of football, because he did. What I will argue is that the point Elvis wanted to argue against was “Tiki’s final game was one of the best ever” (if you don’t think that’s what bouv and Marley were talking about, trying reading their posts slower), and he did so by citing Brown’s season (I honestly don’t think there’s an argument here - do you?). Surely you’re familiar with the difference between a season and a single game, yes? It’s like going into a “best records of the 2000 decade” discussion and citing a 99 year old statistic…:).
I’d like to nominate Favre for 3 of the top spots for all 3 times he “retired” (vs Giants, vs Mia and vs NO). If he comes back so he can “retire” a 4 th time - maybe he can go 4 for 4.
Here’s the part of bouv’s post **Elvis **responded to, bolding mine. –
No matter how slowly I read that, it still says while at the top of his game, not in his final game. That’s what Elvis quoted. If you have a complaint about off point posts, perhaps you should take it up with bouv.
See above.
Muhammad Ali should never have fought Larry Holmes, but he did, and got his bell permanently rung. But that still wasn’t enough - he staggered through a 10-round unanimous loss to the immortal Trevor Berbick before people who loved him took pity on him.
I forget, did he end his involvement in the Giants game with a pick, too?
Yeah. Pick in OT to set up Tynes’ game winning field goal.
Has there been any other major starting QB who retired after throwing a pick?
Oof - check this list out! It’s from pro-football-reference.com. I specified:
Player’s final season
Games 12-20
Regular season OR playoffs
Interceptions >= 1
Results reflect not the final game for the player, but in the final half of the season (for the most part).
Fran Tarkenton’s final regular season game was pretty interesting. 23/38 for 316 yards and 3 TDs. But FIVE Ints.
I wonder if they have teams working to input play-by-play data like they do on the baseball site.