# Super Tuesday Primary Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741 "2020-03-01T05:33:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/181 "2020-03-04T05:03:06Z")
Liz really withheld a lot of votes that could have gone to Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/182 "2020-03-04T05:04:52Z")
With 57% of the vote in Biden has taken the lead in Texas as of shortly after 11pm. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/183 "2020-03-04T05:06:14Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > And they’re mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. They’re going to run out and vote for someone who isn’t a corporate Wall Street establishment closeted Republican. Youth turnout will surge! The politics of complacency are over! Radical change now!!! > > Nah. Those petulant children can have a pat on the head, mommy will make them a hot pocket, and they can go back to the basement and get on the tweety bird. Look, I like Pete a lot, unlike many Bernie fans. I’m willing to weigh the pros and cons of everyone, and I’m open to having my perspective changed. I realize that Biden is a moderate and that he may SEEM like a “safe bet” to someone like you who’s a centrist. And I don’t consider the word “centrist” to be an insult, unlike so many other people. But I look at Biden and all I can see, and hear, is a man whose faculties are in decline. He’s a godawful communicator. Since you were in the Pete camp, I know that you appreciate how important that is. Biden sucks ass at it. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/184 "2020-03-04T05:08:40Z")
Well, tonight proves yet again that I still don’t know shit about politics. I’m surprised at how badly Warren just got crushed. I knew she was hurting, but I thought she’d do better than getting 10 of 91 delegates in fucking Massachusetts. Yikes! She’s smart, accomplished, pretty progressive, a sharp debater, and isn’t quite as doddering as Biden or Sanders. I really thought she’d do better today. She pretty much has to drop out now, doesn’t she? Who does she throw her support behind? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/185 "2020-03-04T05:12:03Z")
Roy Moore didn’t make it out of the Republican primary for Senate in Alabama. The runoff is Jeff Sessions vs. Tommy Tuberville. The winner of that faces incumbent Democrat Doug Jones in the general. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/186 "2020-03-04T05:12:05Z")
Anyone know sources for turnout by demographics? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/187 "2020-03-04T05:13:21Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > And they’re mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. They’re going to run out and vote for someone who isn’t a corporate Wall Street establishment closeted Republican. Youth turnout will surge! The politics of complacency are over! Radical change now!!! > > Nah. Those petulant children can have a pat on the head, mommy will make them a hot pocket, and they can go back to the basement and get on the tweety bird. Give it time. Those 20 somethings and 30 somethings will someday be in their 40s and 50s, and lots of hateful old dinosaurs will be gone. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/188 "2020-03-04T05:13:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Liz really withheld a lot of votes that could have gone to Bernie. … and Bloomberg withheld a lot of votes that could have gone to Biden. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/189 "2020-03-04T05:15:39Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Look, I like Pete a lot, unlike many Bernie fans. I’m willing to weigh the pros and cons of everyone, and I’m open to having my perspective changed. > > I realize that Biden is a moderate and that he may SEEM like a “safe bet” to someone like you who’s a centrist. And I don’t consider the word “centrist” to be an insult, unlike so many other people. But I look at Biden and all I can see, and hear, is a man whose faculties are in decline. > > He’s a godawful communicator. Since you were in the Pete camp, I know that you appreciate how important that is. Biden sucks ass at it. I agree that there will be a ton of surrogates out helping Biden win. I do think that Biden and Obama know it’s time to pass the torch. Hillary/Bernie/Biden aren’t the future. So, yes, this election will need to feature Pete/Kamala/Cory/Beto and many others on the trail. I wish like hell Biden and Bernie would have sat this out. But, they didn’t and here we are. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/190 "2020-03-04T05:21:47Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > As a Sanders supporter, one sad realization is the fact that in 2016 many Sanders supporters weren’t voting for Sanders, they were voting against Hillary Clinton. They didn’t like Sanders, they just disliked Hillary. Sanders is doing worse in states in 2020 than he did in 2016, including his home state. > > But its also good because I assume a lot of people voting for Biden are voting ‘for’ Biden because they like him. And hopefully he has good turnout in November if he is the nominee. Hillary got about 66 million voters, but the democratic nominee is probably going to need at least 67-68 million to deal with the bias in the electoral college (Obama got 69 million in 2008). I really hope Biden has 70+ million voter turnout if he is the nominee when the general election happens. And I do think a lot of them that actually liked Sanders have moved on. I met plenty of former 2016 Bernie people on the Pete campaign. I’ve said that Bernie 2020 is the Caddyshack II of campaigns. Nothing has really grown with Bernie, it’s the same old speech and same empty promises. Wild eyed college kids that were in love with Bernie have graduated and have jobs now. While they may want college debt relief, they don’t think a septuagenarian will ride in on a white unicorn and make it go away. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/191 "2020-03-04T05:26:12Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The condescension in this post is ugly. Really ugly. Yeah, well as a corporate establishment Wall Street shill that has had everything thrown at him from Bernie bros, I’d like to know where the fucking revolution is? Where’s that surge of new voters? Who’s fed up with the same Repulocrats? Bernie has a troll army on Twitter and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/192 "2020-03-04T05:30:48Z")
I know it’s only 24 delegates, but danged if Maine isn’t a nail-biter. [As of 12:22amEST, there are less than 750 votes](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485535-live-state-by-state-results-from-super-tuesday) between Biden (the leader) and Sanders, with 70% reporting. [FiveThirtyEight had Bernie winning this by 10 percentage points.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/maine/) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/193 "2020-03-04T05:39:08Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I agree that there will be a ton of surrogates out helping Biden win. I do think that Biden and Obama know it’s time to pass the torch. Hillary/Bernie/Biden aren’t the future. So, yes, this election will need to feature Pete/Kamala/Cory/Beto and many others on the trail. I wish like hell Biden and Bernie would have sat this out. But, they didn’t and here we are. I agree with this. I’d have liked to have seen Kamala Harris do better. Or Jay Inslee. Or Julian Castro. Probably even Corey Booker. But they didn’t, and you go with the candidate you have than can win. This is not 2016. Trump is now a known despicable quantity. People are turning out in record numbers for all elections because they are terrified of a second Trump term. He’s a corrupt crook, and voters will be thinking about this when Bill Barr and other Trump henchmen such as Chuck Grassley, Lindsey Graham and Ron Johnson roll out their smear campaigns and attempt to indict a Democratic nominee for president. Hard to get a true bill out of a grand jury with no actual evidence. Yes, Biden is past his prime. He’s tired. Campaigning is grueling and exhausting. He’s been doing battle on dual fronts since the very start of the campaign. He makes too many mistakes. He will need help. What Biden does have is a lifelong dedication to decency and basic human goodness. He also has numerous relationships that have been built over his very lengthy time in government in many different capacities. Frankly, I feel sorry for him. Who wants to be the poor president who has to come in behind Trump and clean up this unimaginable mess? Biden is going to need all the help he can get. It would be nice if he could get some from Sanders supporters when they finally accept that Sanders can’t win. The map favors Biden in the primaries going forward, and it did even before South Carolina. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/194 "2020-03-04T05:41:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I know it’s only 24 delegates, but danged if Maine isn’t a nail-biter. [As of 12:22amEST, there are less than 750 votes](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485535-live-state-by-state-results-from-super-tuesday) between Biden (the leader) and Sanders, with 70% reporting. > > [FiveThirtyEight had Bernie winning this by 10 percentage points.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/maine/) Biden will win more states, but it appears as if California ‘could’ be a blowout, which could net Sanders a ton of delegates. Texas looks to be mostly tied right now. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/195 "2020-03-04T05:54:21Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Biden will win more states, but it appears as if California ‘could’ be a blowout, which could net Sanders a ton of delegates. > > Texas looks to be mostly tied right now. Kornacki on MSNBC just explained how, even if Sanders gets your absolute blowout in California, the very worst Biden will do is _beat_ Sanders with total Super Tuesday electoral college votes by roughly 13 votes. That’s worst case scenario. It’s not going to be an absolute blowout in California. Biden will do reasonably well there. He is going to win the majority of electoral college votes on Super Tuesday – which was supposed to be the day that Sanders would show everyone how he was the only viable candidate who could beat Trump. Biden has pulled ahead of Sanders in Texas by more than 27,000 votes. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/196 "2020-03-04T05:54:28Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Biden will win more states, but it appears as if California ‘could’ be a blowout, which could net Sanders a ton of delegates. > > Texas looks to be mostly tied right now. Sanders could get some 100 delegates more than Biden out of California. I don’t think enough to swamp all the other Biden wins. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/197 "2020-03-04T05:56:22Z")
For those who doubt Biden can win please explain why his opponent was willing to risk impeachment to stop him from running against him? Bottom line, we can all be amateur pundits and pontificate about what people will or won’t vote for but the man with the most to lose clearly does not want this man to run against him. You know who he urged his followers to cross over and vote for in SC? Oh yeah, Bernie Sanders. Ideologically, I am Bernie all the way but the best idea men are not the best candidates and I’m quite comfortable backing the guy who scares the crap out of his opponent. I believe that the fear is that he will appeal to the never Trumpers who are a minority in the party but he is deathly afraid that Biden gives them an alternative to vote for which Clinton didn’t and Sanders wouldn’t. > [@](#): > > He also can’t attack Trump for being racist. Biden has worked with some profoundly virulent racists over the course of his career. He spoke at Strom Thurmond’s funeral. He called Obama ‘Clean’ and ‘Articulate’. And yeah, Obama picked him for VP, but it’s 2020. The “I have black friends” defence carries very little weight these days. Besides, what specifically has Biden done for Black Americans? What’s he sponsored? What’s he voted for? He needs to have a quick and convincing answer to this question because Trump will be asking it a lot. Man, I really want some of what you’re smoking tonight I really do. It is precisely that he has “black friends” that this turn around happened. So he spoke at Strom Thurmond’s funeral. That should make him toxic in South Carolina. But it was the blacks in the very same South Carolina who rallied behind him. As the honorable Jim Clyburn stated: “Joe Biden has stood for the hard-working people of South Carolina,” Clyburn tweeted. “We know Joe. But more importantly, he knows us. In South Carolina, we choose presidents. I’m calling on you to stand with Joe Biden.” The whole “that his support is because black people think white people would support him” is incredibly condescending and just plain wrong. I grew up in SC, I have family that still lives there. They supported Hillary and Biden because like Clyburn said, “he knows us”. The Clinton’s have always been incredibly popular in the state and ditto Obama and Biden. Who can beat Trump never entered into the calculus and in fact, they were looking for alternatives that could beat Trump until Clyburn reminded them why they should back Biden. If it was beating Trump then they would never have voted Biden because he looked like a cooked goose before Saturday and he was not polling anywhere near what he ended up winning by. They saved the bacon of the guy who had gotten destroyed in the lily white states of Idaho and New Hampshire. There was no calculus that would assume that whites would support the guy they had been proving they didn’t support. If they wanted the guy that was not Bernie to beat Trump they’d have gone to Buttigieg or even Warren or Klobuchar all of whom were beating Biden at that point. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/198 "2020-03-04T05:56:42Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Biden will win more states, but it appears as if California ‘could’ be a blowout, which could net Sanders a ton of delegates. I mailed my California ballot yesterday and it might not be counted for a few days, while the mega-counties down south will surely take even longer. Mail-ins don’t respond to exit polls. We’ll have no idea how California goes till next week probably. But keep hoping. Meanwhile, I’m surprised at all the badmouthing here of Biden as a weak, vulnerable candidate. The orange terror obviously fears Biden the most. Should I suspect lurking Trampian assets on SDMB? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/199 "2020-03-04T05:59:13Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Sanders could get some 100 delegates more than Biden out of California. I don’t think enough to swamp all the other Biden wins. Exactly, those Biden blowouts were huge and even a Bernie blow out in CA can’t make up for that. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/200 "2020-03-04T05:59:51Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > He is going to win the majority of **electoral college** votes on Super Tuesday – which was supposed to be the day that Sanders would show everyone how he was the only viable candidate who could beat Trump. That would indeed be unprecedented and probably illegal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=11)