# Super Tuesday Primary Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741 "2020-03-01T05:33:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/201 "2020-03-04T06:03:56Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Liz really withheld a lot of votes that could have gone to Bernie. Good ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/202 "2020-03-04T06:04:05Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > I mailed my California ballot yesterday and it might not be counted for a few days, while the mega-counties down south will surely take even longer. Mail-ins don’t respond to exit polls. We’ll have no idea how California goes till next week probably. But keep hoping. > > Meanwhile, I’m surprised at all the badmouthing here of Biden as a weak, vulnerable candidate. The orange terror obviously fears Biden the most. Should I suspect lurking Trampian assets on SDMB? Nah, just folks who are disappointed their candidates didn’t win blowing off steam I’d imagine. That and a little bit of fear. We both forgot another important clue about Biden. Trumps boss, Putin and his cronies are not only assisting Trump they are assisting the Sanders campaign. They do not want to face Biden either. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/203 "2020-03-04T06:05:49Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > Meanwhile, I’m surprised at all the badmouthing here of Biden as a weak, vulnerable candidate. The orange terror obviously fears Biden the most. Should I suspect lurking Trampian assets on SDMB? How could anyone with even the most modest ability to read other human beings, NOT see the blatant vulnerability and weakness in Biden every time he opens his mouth to mumble another nonsensical stream of words? You can call him “Tramp” all you want, you seem to never miss an opportunity to say it like it’s the most clever nickname known to man, but this is a guy that knocked down the entire field of Republican challengers like a bunch of bowling pins, then went on to beat someone who I was told for an entire year was a LOCK for the Presidency. He’s a vicious campaigner who fights dirty, doesn’t follow the established playbook at all, and enjoys a following more loyal than any Republican president that I can remember in my lifetime. (I’m 33.) You really need ME to explain all this to you? Haven’t you been paying attention to the past 4 years? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/204 "2020-03-04T06:07:00Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > Trumps boss, Putin and his cronies are not only assisting Trump they are assisting the Sanders campaign. They do not want to face Biden either. And when Biden loses because he’s a piece of shit candidate, who are you going to blame? Sanders, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/205 "2020-03-04T06:10:27Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > That would indeed be unprecedented and probably illegal. Sorry. Delegates. I’m tired, like Joe Biden. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/206 "2020-03-04T06:18:13Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > And when Biden loses because he’s a piece of shit candidate, who are you going to blame? Sanders, of course. They’ll blame Sanders and his supporters if the moderate loses the election, just like they did in 2016. Biden does have serious flaws. His actions with women, his mental decline, his son getting a job in Ukraine. Like it or not these will come up in the election. I hope he wins the general if he is the nominee though, but who knows what’ll happen. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/207 "2020-03-04T06:32:02Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I agree with this. I’d have liked to have seen Kamala Harris do better. Or Jay Inslee. Or Julian Castro. Probably even Corey Booker. But they didn’t, and you go with the candidate you have than can win. Indeed. The way the field thinned by the end of 2019 was actually kind of a nightmare to me, but I’ve been trying to take lemons and make lemonade. Check out what I posted on Facebook last April: [https://twitter.com/SlackerInc/status/1235083200327757825](https://twitter.com/SlackerInc/status/1235083200327757825) All the candidates I disliked the most were the only ones left! :smack: > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > One bit of party-wide good news - AFAICT from various online sources, Democratic turnout is way, way up since '16. Sometimes in the 538 live blog said that VA turnout was up by 67%! So that’s great news. I think Biden is a very, very weak candidate, but if he gets the nomination I hope I’m wrong. Yes, turnout is way up–but not from Bernie’s youth brigade. Just like in 2018, it’s older and more moderate Dems who are doing the heavy lifting. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > That’s why Biden isn’t running alone, and won’t be through the rest of this primary slog. > > The sooner Biden can lock up that 1,991, the sooner we’ll get back to the Biden/Obama buddy movie. It will run throughout the general election. Meantime, surrogates Klobuchar (soon to be Veep, I’ve said so for ages), Buttegieg, O’Rourke, Harris, Clyburn, Bloomberg, Steyer, Booker, Inslee et. al will fan out all across the country, giving Biden the help he needs to finish up this campaign. > > Biden will be a fine president. He governs far better than he campaigns. > > I, too, am very relieved to hear about the turnout numbers. This is going to be a turnout election. The theme is basic human decency. This is very well stated. People aren’t going to hear Biden stumble through his words and decide because of a few malapropisms that they might go vote for Trump instead. That is the kind of thing that can happen in an election like 2000 where it’s very close but most of the country doesn’t really care that much. People know Biden is decent even if he’s tongue-tied, and as you say he’s got that awesome roster of Democrats to back him up. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Biden is a centrist Democrat and the majority of Democrats are centrists. He does extremely well with black voters, and their lack of turnout in key states was sufficient to explain the narrow margins Trump won them by. He isn’t a socialist. > > And that last statement is everything. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a democratic socialist of Bernie’s ilk. Except to the people for whom the word socialist eats into their brains with all the terror of a ten-foot zombie tarantula. And that’s probably half the country. If Sanders gets nominated, no matter what he says, no matter who supports him, no matter how good his ideas are, the country will hear SOCIALIST SOCIALIST SOCIALIST a thousand times a day. Nothing else will penetrate. The party will be so demonized that it might need a generation to recover. > > Sanders is the worst possible candidate for the real America of 2020. Anyone hiding the word SOCIALIST until the bottom of a long post probably recognizes that unconsciously. It is death. You have to go back to Al Smith in 1928 when the word CATHOLIC was similar anathema to find an equivalent. Democrats told themselves then that being a Catholic was meaningless, that nobody really cared, that his plans and ideas were better than Hoover’s. None of that mattered against the perpetual din of CATHOLIC CATHOLIC CATHOLIC. A generation later that identification no longer dominated. Today it’s a total non-issue. A democratic socialist will be similarly accepted in another generation. Maybe sooner. > > But not in 2020. > > The Democratic candidate cannot be a SOCIALIST. Nothing else compares. Nothing. Whatever Biden’s faults are - and yes, they are many and he never was my candidate - at least he isn’t a SOCIALIST. Every other adult politician in the party understands that, which is why Buttigeg and Klobuchar dropped out of the race and endorsed Biden. They did it for the Democratic party and because the only thing that matters in this election is defeating Trump. A SOCIALIST will lose the Presidency, keep the party from winning the Senate, and maybe lose the house as well. No sane Democrat could stand to see that happen. > > You have two choices. A SOCIALIST and Trump winning or a non-socialist and the chance of defeating Trump. That’s it. Like it or not. That’s reality in 2020. ::standing ovation:: > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > As a Sanders supporter, one sad realization is the fact that in 2016 many Sanders supporters weren’t voting for Sanders, they were voting against Hillary Clinton. They didn’t like Sanders, they just disliked Hillary. Sanders is doing worse in states in 2020 than he did in 2016, including his home state. > > But its also good because I assume a lot of people voting for Biden are voting ‘for’ Biden because they like him. And hopefully he has good turnout in November if he is the nominee. Hillary got about 66 million voters, but the democratic nominee is probably going to need at least 67-68 million to deal with the bias in the electoral college (Obama got 69 million in 2008). I really hope Biden has 70+ million voter turnout if he is the nominee when the general election happens. Good post. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/208 "2020-03-04T06:38:59Z")
82% of the votes from Texas are in and Biden is up by 50,000 votes. The more they count, the more his lead widens over Bernie. ETA: NBC just called Texas for Biden. So the only big win for Bernie appears to be California. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/209 "2020-03-04T06:53:00Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > And when Biden loses because he’s a piece of shit candidate, who are you going to blame? Sanders, of course. LOL, I supported Sanders in 2016 and got pilloried when I decided not to waste my time voting for Hillary in an state that my vote truly didn’t matter ( it was on this board so you can look it up ). I was upset that the Clinton voters disdained Sanders voters with the Bernie Bro label which frankly people are still doing and now I am accused by a Sandernista of being an establishment stooge. My how times change huh? The fact is, I don’t feel Bernie is a great candidate even though again, I am closer to his ideology than any other candidate. If I were supporting based on my ideology at this point it’d be Warren all the way. Fact is though, like my former South Carolinian neighbors, I like Joe Biden. He had disappointed me at the beginning of the race so I was going with my second choice which was Warren but the foot is on the other hand now as she’s flamed out and he’s risen. But if I were to blame Sanders for Biden losing to Trump it would be terribly hypocritical and that I assuredly am not. Don’t give me that crap about Biden’s verbal gaffes and incoherence making a damned bit of difference after W and Trump. It sure as hell didn['t hurt either of them and we can go back to second term Reagan for that matter who was already suffering from alzheimers. You can make bold statements but current history doesn’t jive with your position. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/210 "2020-03-04T07:03:09Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > They’ll blame Sanders and his supporters if the moderate loses the election, just like they did in 2016. You better check yourself Wesley. That was a direct question to me not to a “they” and I am not nor have I ever been a they. But I have already answered the question and I did not blame myself for Trump in 2016 not then or now. I can’t in all honestly say I’ve never blamed any candidate or their supporters for my candidate’s losses but both times ( Nader and Stein ) they ran as alternate parties and that said that’s not really an excuse. I really shouldn’t blame them or anyone who is exercising their rights under a democracy but what can I say, I’m human. ’ ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/211 "2020-03-04T07:23:09Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Nah. Those petulant children can have a pat on the head, mommy will make them a hot pocket, and they can go back to the basement and get on the tweety bird. Rather a lot of chutzpah making that comment while pimping your Twitter feed in your sig. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/212 "2020-03-04T07:39:40Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Biden is a centrist Democrat and the majority of Democrats are centrists. He does extremely well with black voters, and their lack of turnout in key states was sufficient to explain the narrow margins Trump won them by. He isn’t a socialist. > > And that last statement is everything. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being a democratic socialist of Bernie’s ilk. Except to the people for whom the word socialist eats into their brains with all the terror of a ten-foot zombie tarantula. And that’s probably half the country. If Sanders gets nominated, no matter what he says, no matter who supports him, no matter how good his ideas are, the country will hear SOCIALIST SOCIALIST SOCIALIST a thousand times a day. Nothing else will penetrate. The party will be so demonized that it might need a generation to recover. > > Sanders is the worst possible candidate for the real America of 2020. Anyone hiding the word SOCIALIST until the bottom of a long post probably recognizes that unconsciously. It is death. You have to go back to Al Smith in 1928 when the word CATHOLIC was similar anathema to find an equivalent. Democrats told themselves then that being a Catholic was meaningless, that nobody really cared, that his plans and ideas were better than Hoover’s. None of that mattered against the perpetual din of CATHOLIC CATHOLIC CATHOLIC. A generation later that identification no longer dominated. Today it’s a total non-issue. A democratic socialist will be similarly accepted in another generation. Maybe sooner. > > But not in 2020. > > The Democratic candidate cannot be a SOCIALIST. Nothing else compares. Nothing. Whatever Biden’s faults are - and yes, they are many and he never was my candidate - at least he isn’t a SOCIALIST. Every other adult politician in the party understands that, which is why Buttigeg and Klobuchar dropped out of the race and endorsed Biden. They did it for the Democratic party and because the only thing that matters in this election is defeating Trump. A SOCIALIST will lose the Presidency, keep the party from winning the Senate, and maybe lose the house as well. No sane Democrat could stand to see that happen. > > You have two choices. A SOCIALIST and Trump winning or a non-socialist and the chance of defeating Trump. That’s it. Like it or not. That’s reality in 2020. I’m sorry, but this strikes me as being just more of the same paternalistic liberal out of touch fear mongering we got with Obama and Buttigieg. “Of course, _I’d_ vote for a black man. But what about _them_? The shoeless rubes in tornado alley…sorry, ‘Real America’ aren’t evolved enough to do that. Best play it safe and go with Hillary”. “Of course, _I’d_ vote for a gay candidate. But if you think a gay POTUS and his First Gentleman will play in Peoria then you’ve got another think coming, bucko! Best play it safe and nominate Biden. ‘Real America’ isn’t ready for anyone else”. “Of course, _I’d_ vote for a Democratic Socialist, but…etc” Middle-class liberals, I _implore_ you. Stop trying to guess what ‘Real America’ wants. You’re objectively terrible at it. You always get it wrong. This is the problem with Democrats. About half of them are regular people who just want a candidate who’ll work for them. The other half are effete liberals, untouched by economic anxiety, who think they’re way smarter than they are, and who pick their candidates based on what _they think_ the rest of the country will accept. But they look down their noses at the rest of the country so they always get it wrong. Your post is a prime example. You genuinely seem to believe that half your countrymen are basically Pavlovian dogs who’ll piss themselves every time they hear the word ‘Socialism’. They won’t try to understand what Bernie’s selling, even though many of them need it, because they’re just too stupid. They’ll hear the word ‘Socialism’ and just shut down like 60 million broken computers. They’re so hypnotised by those four magic syllables that all the arguments for M4A, student debt relief, and Wall Street reform - all of which enjoy broad bipartisan support - will simply bounce off them. There are no words for how condescending that is. Tell you what, re-read your post and replace every incidence of the word ‘Socialism’ with the words ‘WASHINGTON INSIDER’. Then you’ll have a more-or-less accurate summary of what actually happened in 2016. And now, thanks in large part to the attitudes of people like you, the Democrats are poised to nominate not just _another_ Washington Insider, but a Washington Insider who is clearly losing his damn mind on live TV. Did you see his victory speech last night? He got his wife confused with his sister, and then promised an actual cure for cancer. It was pitiful. Trump’s going to flatten him. Sorry for the rant, but it’s so plain to me that Democrats haven’t learn the lessons of 2016 and I’m truly worried that you’ve just bought the world another four years of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/213 "2020-03-04T08:02:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Rather a lot of chutzpah making that comment while pimping your Twitter feed in your sig. I’m kinda hungry but since I’m a Biden supporter, I don’t live in mommy’s basement and thus have to be responsible for my own dinner. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/214 "2020-03-04T08:03:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > 1. He’s not Trump. > 2. He will follow the rule of law. > 3. He will follow the Constitution. > 4. He will nominate moderate judges (and not nominate wacko right wing ideologue judges) > 5. He will protect and expand Obamacare - flawed though it may be is much better than what existed before and expanded coverage. > 6. He will allow asylum seekers and immigrants to go through the normal process. > 7. He won’t put immigrants in cages. > 8. He will put competent people in positions of power > 9. He will try to increase taxes for the rich and keep taxation moderate for everyone else > 10. He will protect the LGBTQ community. > 11. Probably a lot of other shit. > > I’d rather have 10-15 issues that are achieveable than 3 “signatures” that don’t have shit chance of passing. First of all, in terms of electioneering, it’s _waaay_ better to have a couple of big signature issues than 10-15 little moderate ones. The big signature issues are what excite and galvanise people. They’re what get people to volunteer and canvass for you. You think anyone’s going to be inspired to canvass by the promise of more moderate judges? No. Second, there’s nothing in that list that Bernie’s not also promising. The only exception is point 5, on which Bernie is promising to do more. So it doesn’t really do anything to differentiate between the two candidates. Finally, Biden seems to be basing much of his campaign on point 1. That’s why he keeps harking back to the Obama era. Bernie’s focussed on the issues. Biden’s focussed on reminding everyone that he’s not Trump. As both Hillary Clinton and John Kerry will tell you, running on a platform of “I’m not the other guy” is a really bad strategy. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/215 "2020-03-04T08:18:19Z")
Biden? Sanders? Giant meteor, I’m ready for you now. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/216 "2020-03-04T08:22:06Z")
Kerry very nearly beat Dubya despite his being over 50 percent in approval. When a president is significantly UNDER 50 percent, as Trump is, being “not the incumbent”, but otherwise generic and inoffensive, is \*exactly \*the right position to be in. In other news, Jill Biden is impressively fierce–but where is the Bidens’ security detail? > ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/217 "2020-03-04T08:49:40Z")
[Biden: ‘Poor Kids’ Are Just as Bright as ‘White Kids’](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/joe-biden-poor-kids.html) Putin might as well lay off his trolls. Biden is doing their work for them. And better. ETA: In case anyone hasn’t noticed. Trump is now the youngest candidate. ---
**Author:** ![phantom\_lamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@phantom\_lamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phantom_lamb)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/218 "2020-03-04T09:33:46Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > [Biden: ‘Poor Kids’ Are Just as Bright as ‘White Kids’](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/joe-biden-poor-kids.html) This is relatively old news - and as far as (Joe’s) gaffes go, relatively mild when you look beneath the surface of your gut reaction and realize what he was trying to get across… ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/219 "2020-03-04T09:39:06Z")
Oh well, I guess it’s time to recycle hair-sniffing, Strom Thurmond, etc. Have at it… ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/220 "2020-03-04T09:53:18Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > I’m sorry, but this strikes me as being just more of the same paternalistic liberal out of touch fear mongering we got with Obama and Buttigieg. “Of course, _I’d_ vote for a black man. But what about _them_? The shoeless rubes in tornado alley…sorry, ‘Real America’ aren’t evolved enough to do that. Best play it safe and go with Hillary”. “Of course, _I’d_ vote for a gay candidate. But if you think a gay POTUS and his First Gentleman will play in Peoria then you’ve got another think coming, bucko! Best play it safe and nominate Biden. ‘Real America’ isn’t ready for anyone else”. “Of course, _I’d_ vote for a Democratic Socialist, but…etc” > > Middle-class liberals, I _implore_ you. Stop trying to guess what ‘Real America’ wants. You’re objectively terrible at it. You always get it wrong. > > This is the problem with Democrats. About half of them are regular people who just want a candidate who’ll work for them. The other half are effete liberals, untouched by economic anxiety, who think they’re way smarter than they are, and who pick their candidates based on what _they think_ the rest of the country will accept. But they look down their noses at the rest of the country so they always get it wrong. > > Your post is a prime example. You genuinely seem to believe that half your countrymen are basically Pavlovian dogs who’ll piss themselves every time they hear the word ‘Socialism’. They won’t try to understand what Bernie’s selling, even though many of them need it, because they’re just too stupid. They’ll hear the word ‘Socialism’ and just shut down like 60 million broken computers. They’re so hypnotised by those four magic syllables that all the arguments for M4A, student debt relief, and Wall Street reform - all of which enjoy broad bipartisan support - will simply bounce off them. There are no words for how condescending that is. > > Tell you what, re-read your post and replace every incidence of the word ‘Socialism’ with the words ‘WASHINGTON INSIDER’. Then you’ll have a more-or-less accurate summary of what actually happened in 2016. And now, thanks in large part to the attitudes of people like you, the Democrats are poised to nominate not just _another_ Washington Insider, but a Washington Insider who is clearly losing his damn mind on live TV. Did you see his victory speech last night? He got his wife confused with his sister, and then promised an actual cure for cancer. It was pitiful. Trump’s going to flatten him. > > Sorry for the rant, but it’s so plain to me that Democrats haven’t learn the lessons of 2016 and I’m truly worried that you’ve just bought the world another four years of Trump. ::Standing ovation!:: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=12)