# Super Tuesday Primary Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741 "2020-03-01T05:33:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/261 "2020-03-04T16:54:24Z")
Well the Dems have done it again. Doing what they do best. There was a flock of intriguing candidates, many promising young minds to choose from. They should have gone into a smoke-filled room and picked the best one. Instead they bow to the influence of money and end up with two old white men. The primary system is broken. Sadly, I doubt the Dems will ever admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/262 "2020-03-04T16:55:02Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > It makes less difference now. But the fact Biden has lost more than a step mentally at the best makes it harder to press that issue against Trump. At worst he could show up a lot less on the ball _than Trump_ later in the campaign or debates as he tires. > > Among the things Trump has in his favor, and people who want to defeat him should not ignore his strengths, is that he just doesn’t GAS on the same level a lot of politicians do. Besides his vanity wrt ‘people who say nasty things about me’, that is. He’s basically happy and relaxed watching lots of TV in the WH. And he loves riffing in front of the big crowds he draws everywhere he chooses to go (places where he wouldn’t draw them…he wouldn’t go). The campaign is not very tiring and stressful for Trump IMO, just as the idea the responsibilities of the WH would make him melt down turned out a misguided notion. For Biden OTOH the campaign is obviously hard work for an already tired old man. And that could show up even more starkly later in the campaign. > > That said I believe Trump would rather run against Sanders than Biden. Although he’s not necessarily right. Anyway there’s no law saying anyone has to support any candidate just based on uncertain (they almost always are) assessments of his or her electability. People are so desperate for the corporate friendly moderate candidate to win that they’re glossing over his flaws. Biden does have a history of creepy behavior with women, and his mental faculties aren’t what they were a decade ago. He has also never been a good speaker or good campaigner. Also he doesn’t do well with voters under 40, who may not show up to vote in the general. His main appeal is he reminds people of the Obama years. Also despite Trump being the most corrupt president in history, the fact that his son got good jobs because of his dad is going to be an issue and I don’t think Biden will handle it well. I hope if he wins the primary that he wins the general and has large blue coattails, but it may be an uphill climb even with billionaires like Steyer and Bloomberg dumping giant sums of money into his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/263 "2020-03-04T16:58:38Z")
Super Tuesday results: oligarchy wins! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/264 "2020-03-04T17:03:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Super Tuesday results: oligarchy wins! More like: They say they want a revolution, don’t you know that you can count me out. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/265 "2020-03-04T17:06:42Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Also he doesn’t do well with voters under 40, who may not show up to vote in the general. Of course they’re not going to show up to vote in the general. They won’t even show up to support their leader in the primaries and they’ve had two bites at that apple. Bernie has been relying on the fiction that he’ll draw in the young folks but it just hasn’t happened this cycle either. It is probably true that he is supported by the under 40 crowd but so what if that can’t move the needle on your campaign? ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/266 "2020-03-04T17:09:26Z")
Didn’t every Democrat here say that they would support the Nominee, no matter who it was? So support him and play up his good points. Remember, if the Nominee loses, you may end up having to rim Trump’s hiney for the rest of your natural born lives… as will your children\*. \*Internment Camps filled separately. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/267 "2020-03-04T17:11:01Z")
WesleyClark, I don’t disagree with you, except that one thing you said — “Also he doesn’t do well with voters under 40, who may not show up to vote in the general” — could be construed as a plus for **Biden** , if relatively few of those same young folks **in purple states** end up voting in November no matter who’s on the ballot. (ETA: What DisgruntledPenguin said). ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/268 "2020-03-04T17:14:38Z")
> [@jaycat](#): > > Well the Dems have done it again. Doing what they do best. There was a flock of intriguing candidates, many promising young minds to choose from. They should have gone into a smoke-filled room and picked the best one. Instead they bow to the influence of money and end up with two old white men. > > The primary system is broken. Sadly, I doubt the Dems will ever admit it. I am not sure where you get “bow to the influence of money” The money was behind the Bloomberg and Steyer campaigns and influenced absolutely no one. An alternate reading of ST is that African Americans (and others) were positively inclined towards Obama’s vice president, and so he got the most votes. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/269 "2020-03-04T17:14:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > More like: They say they want a revolution, don’t you know that you can count me out. It’s gonna be alright. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/270 "2020-03-04T17:15:45Z")
> [@jaycat](#): > > Well the Dems have done it again. Doing what they do best. There was a flock of intriguing candidates, many promising young minds to choose from. They should have gone into a smoke-filled room and picked the best one. Instead they bow to the influence of money and end up with two old white men. > > The primary system is broken. Sadly, I doubt the Dems will ever admit it. What a pleasant fiction. Biden went into Super Tuesday dead broke, pretty much everyone writing his obituary before South Carolina, no field offices, no ads. The “influence of money” crowd were practically kicking his corpse. The _voters_ gave Biden his resurrection. Nothing else. Your sad, sad song is titled, “Sour Grapes.” I hope you can learn a new tune before the general election. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/271 "2020-03-04T17:17:12Z")
> [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](#): > > Of course they’re not going to show up to vote in the general. They won’t even show up to support their leader in the primaries and they’ve had two bites at that apple. Bernie has been relying on the fiction that he’ll draw in the young folks but it just hasn’t happened this cycle either. It is probably true that he is supported by the under 40 crowd but so what if that can’t move the needle on your campaign? > [@JKellyMap](#): > > WesleyClark, I don’t disagree with you, except that one thing you said — “Also he doesn’t do well with voters under 40, who may not show up to vote in the general” — could be construed as a plus for **Biden** , if relatively few of those same young folks **in purple states** end up voting in November no matter who’s on the ballot. > > (ETA: What DisgruntledPenguin said). Young people showed up in force in 2018, and thats what flipped the house. Turnout was about 16% in 2014 for 18-19, and it was 32% in 2018. Age group 30-44 went from a 30% turnout in '14 to 45% turnout in '18 [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Kz4qJSpaobkFWaPaqpbXcgt-v7Rvcf8JW3MunXMGZUCFH5eQTQcVOKWzSPAumHa7KQT-h0quUiE58IYl6S\_3dlxZI18SOsE7VFA9YLteKduIpmhsqS5aHtcz2cB4uUHEvGyP7XYm6qcgUep5R3lx5co56K89k2QTFQ3f-79XM\_s](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Kz4qJSpaobkFWaPaqpbXcgt-v7Rvcf8JW3MunXMGZUCFH5eQTQcVOKWzSPAumHa7KQT-h0quUiE58IYl6S_3dlxZI18SOsE7VFA9YLteKduIpmhsqS5aHtcz2cB4uUHEvGyP7XYm6qcgUep5R3lx5co56K89k2QTFQ3f-79XM_s) Granted those are midterm numbers. But the youth vote did spike a bit in 2008 when Obama ran. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/272 "2020-03-04T17:22:32Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Granted those are midterm numbers. But the youth vote did spike a bit in 2008 when Obama ran. You mean they showed up more when Biden was on the ballot. interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/273 "2020-03-04T17:23:41Z")
Primaries just aren’t as sexy as a general election. Who wants to make the sausage when you can just show up and eat the sausage? Old people, that’s who. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/274 "2020-03-04T17:26:38Z")
… ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/275 "2020-03-04T17:28:30Z")
Another interesting factoid, is that in many States yesterday, the number of Republican voters in the primary outnumbered the Democratic voters, and there wasn’t really even a reason for them to turn out. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/276 "2020-03-04T17:29:50Z")
Twitter is just full of butthurt this morning. Bernie supporters, sure, some. Mostly from Warren supporters, though. _I’m gonna block everybody who doesn’t agree that she’s a godsend!_ ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/277 "2020-03-04T17:31:11Z")
[Michael Bloomberg Drops Out Of Presidential Race, Endorses Joe Biden](https://deadline.com/2020/03/michael-bloomberg-drops-out-joe-biden-1202874052/) I didn’t expect this this fast. Warren will surely follow. It’s just Biden v Sanders, and the only question is when Bernie will stop making it all about him. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/278 "2020-03-04T17:36:33Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Primaries just aren’t as sexy as a general election. Who wants to make the sausage when you can just show up and eat the sausage? Old people, that’s who. Then it follows that those not showing up to support Bernie are sure they’re getting sausage either way or that they’re perfectly happy to eat bologna instead. Either way, that’s no way to run a revolution. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/279 "2020-03-04T17:37:02Z")
[Michael Bloomberg Drops Out Of Presidential Race, Endorses Joe Biden](https://deadline.com/2020/03/michael-bloomberg-drops-out-joe-biden-1202874052/) I didn’t expect this this fast. Warren will surely follow. It’s just Biden v Sanders, and the only question is when Bernie will stop making it all about him. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/280 "2020-03-04T17:40:17Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Another interesting factoid, is that in many States yesterday, the number of Republican voters in the primary outnumbered the Democratic voters, and there wasn’t really even a reason for them to turn out. I also noticed that Trump put out the call for republicans to cross over to vote for Bernie in SC and that either did not happen or had no effect. Either way, it shows that Trump supporters are not as lockstep as everyone gives them credit for. That’s a plus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=15)