# Super Tuesday Primary Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741 "2020-03-01T05:33:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/361 "2020-03-05T04:54:02Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > … a lot of Bernie’s supporters will stay at home on November 3rd. Like they did yesterday! I seriously don’t argue that a fair number of Sanders’ supporters will stay home on election day; I see no evidence that Sanders being at the top of the ticket would _change_ that. They are non-voters and they proved they are share the trait of consistency with Sanders. OTOH there are a good many voters who would not vote D if Sanders IS on the ticket and who did prove that they will come out and vote Biden … ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/362 "2020-03-05T05:25:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > …I don’t know why you said “nobody”–I said so on this or another thread within the past day or two. He could have probably sailed to the nomination if he had pretended to be more moderate for a week or two. Then he could have eased back into being more radical and it would have been too late. But he just didn’t have the discipline or somehow didn’t realize what a crucial inflection point it was for his campaign. I meant in this thread. This thread with the SOCIALIST SOCIALIST post being condemned as nonsense. I think yesterday showed many Democrats are not comfortable with Sanders defending Castro. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/363 "2020-03-05T06:19:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > > [@JKellyMap](#): > > > > Omar Little, true enough. One recalls the African American housekeeper’s line in the 1969 film Being There, when she sees her former colleague Chance the Gardener on TV, now as a close advisor to the President of the US. > > I liked that movie and remember the housekeeper kind of rolling her eyes at Chance. But what was the exact line you refer to? I think **JKellyMap** is thinking of this one, toward the end of the movie: > [@Being There](#): > > **Louise** : It’s for sure a white man’s world in America. Look here: I raised that boy since he was the size of a piss-ant. And I’ll say right now, he never learned to read and write. No, sir. Had no brains at all. Was stuffed with rice pudding between th’ ears. Shortchanged by the Lord, and dumb as a jackass. Look at him now! Yes, sir, all you’ve gotta be is white in America, to get whatever you want. Gobbledy-gook! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/364 "2020-03-05T07:56:40Z")
Ah, right. Thanks! I guess I had forgotten that he was raised in the house since childhood, although I knew he had lived a sheltered life there for many years. That’s a curious situation for one of the domestic help that isn’t really explained AFAICR. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/365 "2020-03-05T12:44:21Z")
Thanks, Northern Piper — that’s the one. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/366 "2020-03-05T14:05:33Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Ok, I’ll bite. 🙂 Please fight my ignorance. What’s the one good reason? Because the President has precisely two things to do with the Constitutional amendment process: 1)jack and 2)shit. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/367 "2020-03-05T15:22:07Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Because the President has precisely two things to do with the Constitutional amendment process: 1)jack and 2)shit. That _Lincoln_ movie was all about how this isn’t entirely true. Point taken, though — especially as there are no Lincolns among the candidates, of either party. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/368 "2020-03-05T15:29:59Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Practical horse race stuff - Bloomberg apparently won’t make viability in either Texas or California. You probably know this, but let me clarify that that only applies to the statewide delegates. Overall, about 36% of the Super Tuesday delegates are allocated at the state level, and candidates have to meet the 15% statewide threshold to earn a share of those. (I don’t know if the ~36% is the same for every state or whether it varies.) The other ~64% are allocated at the Congressional district level, and a candidate will earn a share of those if s/he clears the 15% threshold in a given district, regardless of their percentage of the statewide vote. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/369 "2020-03-05T16:24:11Z")
Yes he will get some delegates in districts that he hit 15% in. As I remember the map his support was pretty concentrated. Looking it up 272 are district level. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/370 "2020-03-05T16:33:15Z")
After Super Tuesday and the dropouts is it wrong to look at Bernie & Biden delegates and should we instead look at the Progressive vs Moderate delegate count? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/371 "2020-03-05T16:49:27Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Is it too much to ask that the two horses left in this race – and their supporters – call a truce on attacking each other? Responding to myself: the answer, apparently, is “yes.” It is too much to ask that the candidates stop bashing each other. This morning I received an email from the Sanders camp full of scathing criticism of Biden. Knock it the fuck off already. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/372 "2020-03-05T17:24:16Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Because the President has precisely two things to do with the Constitutional amendment process: 1)jack and 2)shit. :smack: Of course. Makes all the sense. I guess watching Trump sign all his Executive Menus made an impression on me and I ASSumed that even a Constitutional amendment would require a presidential signature. I’m glad it doesn’t. I’ll rephrase: Biden will do whatever he can to help get a Constitutional amendment passed through the Congress that reverses or limits the miseries of Citizens United. And I’m slightly pleased you actually read that lengthy post so far down. I’ve always admired your signature. Thank you for fighting my ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/373 "2020-03-05T17:31:27Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ll rephrase: Biden will do whatever he can to help get a Constitutional amendment passed through the Congress that reverses or limits the miseries of Citizens United. Which is also zero since that requires a two-thirds majority in each house. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/374 "2020-03-05T17:47:42Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Which is also zero since that requires a two-thirds majority in each house. \ That I knew. But we’ve got to start somewhere. Getting big money out of politics must become a priority. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/375 "2020-03-05T17:58:53Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > You probably know this, but let me clarify that that only applies to the statewide delegates. > > Overall, about 36% of the Super Tuesday delegates are allocated at the state level, and candidates have to meet the 15% statewide threshold to earn a share of those. (I don’t know if the ~36% is the same for every state or whether it varies.) The other ~64% are allocated at the Congressional district level, and a candidate will earn a share of those if s/he clears the 15% threshold in a given district, regardless of their percentage of the statewide vote. The “quick version” of statewide versus district delegates: In primaries held before April 1, the fraction of delegates that are statewide is 8/23. In primaries in April, it is 17/50, except in the “regional primary” (RI, DE, NY, PA, MD, DE), where it is 37/112. In primaries in May and June, it is 1/3. “Huh?” There are three types of pledged delegates - base, bonus, and PLEO (Party Leaders & Elected Officials - note these are not the superdelegtates) There are 3200 base delegates, divided among the states; of these, 1/4 are stetewide, and 3/4 are district. States can earn bonus delegates as follows: 10% x the base if the primary is in April 20% x the base if the primary is in May or June 15% x the base for being in a “regional primary” (a group of three or more connected states holding primaries on the same day, if it is on/after March 24) These are also 1/4 statewide and 3/4 disttict Finally, each state gets an extra 15% of its base (not including any bonus delegates) as PLEOs; all of the PLEOs are statewide. Let’s say a state has 100 base delegates and a March primary. This means it gets 15 PLEOs. It has 1/4 x 100 + 15 = 40 statewide delegates; 40/115 = 8/23. If it has a May primary, it has 1/4 x (100 + 20) + 15 = 45 statewide delegates out of (100 + 20) + 15 = 135 total delegates; 45/135 = 1/3. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/376 "2020-03-05T18:10:52Z")
Sorry for the double post - missed the edit window > [@RTFirefly](#): > > Overall, about 36% of the Super Tuesday delegates are allocated at the state level, and candidates have to meet the 15% statewide threshold to earn a share of those. (I don’t know if the ~36% is the same for every state or whether it varies.) The other ~64% are allocated at the Congressional district level Nitpick: they don’t have to be Congressional districts. Texas, for example, uses state senate districts. (And yes, if a state has only one member of the House of Representatives, it can choose to have all of its delegates chosen statewide; Vermont does this.) ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/377 "2020-03-05T19:40:42Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I dunno. I am sure there are a decent number of such trolls out there. But at the same time, I know quite a few Bernie fans personally, well enough that I know they aren’t Russians unless they pulled off some kind of “Americans” level infiltration years ago. About half of them are sweet, kind people who could never be called “obnoxious”. But the other half are, when we start talking about politics, really insufferable. And I’m not just saying this because I am against nominating Bernie. I have also been staunchly against nominating Warren, and I know even more people who love her (literally dozens). Not a single one of those Warren fans is obnoxious in the way fully half the Bernie fans are. This is exactly my experience. The many Bernie supporters I know in real life are clearly NOT Russian agents/trolls but they are absolutely the embodiment of the Bernie Bro reputation; men and women. They are insufferable. They shout down, insult, and condescend to every friend who raises even the lightest support for another Dem candidate or raise any criticism of St. Bernie. This recent trend of messaging that the negative impression of Sanders and his supporters are simply caused Russian trolls seems to be a very convenient excuse to try and avoid any culpability. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/378 "2020-03-05T19:46:27Z")
In all honesty, the flow of hate has been in the exact opposite direction on this board. There are an uncountable number of posts hating on Bernie and his supporters but I have yet to see a Bernie bro appear. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/379 "2020-03-05T20:14:39Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > In all honesty, the flow of hate has been in the exact opposite direction on this board. There are an uncountable number of posts hating on Bernie and his supporters but I have yet to see a Bernie bro appear. We non-Bernie-Bros are impervious to “hatred,” so it wouldn’t matter if a Bro expresses hatred (I concede your point that no posts come to mind). What dismays us deeply is when a Bro says they won’t vote for the Dem nominee in November unless it’s Bernie (or maybe Liz). That’s when we’ve lashed out in anger. Not hate, anger. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741/380 "2020-03-05T20:29:34Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I dunno. I am sure there are a decent number of such trolls out there. But at the same time, I know quite a few Bernie fans personally, well enough that I know they aren’t Russians unless they pulled off some kind of “Americans” level infiltration years ago. About half of them are sweet, kind people who could never be called “obnoxious”. But the other half are, when we start talking about politics, really insufferable. And I’m not just saying this because I am against nominating Bernie. I have also been staunchly against nominating Warren, and I know even more people who love her (literally dozens). Not a single one of those Warren fans is obnoxious in the way fully half the Bernie fans are. This is exactly my experience. The many Bernie supporters I know in real life are clearly NOT Russian agents/trolls but they are absolutely the embodiment of the Bernie Bro reputation; men and women. They are insufferable. They shout down, insult, and condescend to every friend who raises even the lightest support for another Dem candidate or raise any criticism of St. Bernie. This recent trend of messaging that the negative impression of Sanders and his supporters are simply caused Russian trolls seems to be a very convenient excuse to try and avoid any culpability. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/super-tuesday-primary-discussion/848741.md?page=20)