# Superdude **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2011, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558 "2011-02-16T07:43:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/181 "2011-02-16T22:22:14Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > I’d really like to know what institution produced such a fine specimen as yourself. … so I can steer my children away from it. Although my six-year-old already composes better sentences. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/182 "2011-02-16T22:23:01Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I feel sad if you don’t see pride in completeing four years of work. > [@Trubie](#): > > I don’t pride myself on what people think. > [@Trubie](#): > > Proud? No. However, my school thought it was good enough to give me all of my classes for free. So are you proud of your degree or aren’t you? You are insulting other people for not crowing endlessly about completing an undergrad (although I see you’ve given up the ‘you all went to community college’ canard), and yet, when pushed, you say you’re not proud. You’re amazingly clueless either way, but at least make up your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/183 "2011-02-16T22:23:02Z")
> [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](#): > > Did you get your scholarship because you were an ESL student, or for special circumstances for a girl who was raised by wolves in a cave? Because you are one of the most inarticulate university graduates I have ever met, if English is your first language. If not, then kudos, you are doing very well and you are an inspiration. :rolleyes: I was raised by pure breed Huskies. They only looked like wolves. ---
**Author:** ![ReticulatingSplines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e274bd/32.png) [@ReticulatingSplines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReticulatingSplines)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/184 "2011-02-16T22:23:53Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > But please, give me the contact info for your school, because I’d really like to know what institution produced such a fine specimen as yourself. Assuming Trubie is not a troll, which unfortunately seems less and less likely, I’m torn between the desire to know what school she attended and the fear of finding out it’s MY school. I’d like to think they’d never let her in, but they did let me slip through the cracks… ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/185 "2011-02-16T22:24:15Z")
> [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](#): > > Because you are one of the most inarticulate university graduates I have ever met, if English is your first language. OT: I’ve done my times as an instructor at more than one university, including one that is probably top-20 nationally in most surveys. In all fairness, the writing of university graduates does get a great deal worse than our redoubtable **Trubie** ’s. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/186 "2011-02-16T22:25:44Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > … so I can steer my children away from it. So I can steer myself away from it! I’m kind of hoping to teach at a university sometime in the future, and I really don’t know if I could deal with students this thick. I’m all about imparting knowledge, but with some people there really is no hope. ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/187 "2011-02-16T22:25:50Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > So are you proud of your degree or aren’t you? You are insulting other people for not crowing endlessly about completing an undergrad (although I see you’ve given up the ‘you all went to community college’ canard), and yet, when pushed, you say you’re not proud. You’re amazingly clueless either way, but at least make up your mind. I am proud I put my mind to something and finished it. If I had built a boat in four years, I’d be proud. I’m proud of my effort and commitment. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/188 "2011-02-16T22:28:30Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I am proud I put my mind to something and finished it. If I had built a boat in four years, I’d be proud. I’m proud of my effort and commitment. If you had built a boat in four years would you lord it all over everyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/189 "2011-02-16T22:28:35Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Yeah … since June of 2000, not two Fridays ago. That’s around 2 posts per day versus your almost 15 per day. > > What? They don’t teach math where you went to college? I know for a fact they don’t teach grammar. I can’t believe somebody who looks down their nose at CC can’t even put together a coherent sentence. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/190 "2011-02-16T22:31:05Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > You’re a sick person. I’m done with you. It’s one thing to not like me. It’s another thing to call me a pedophile. Now THAT was harsh! Say what you want about pedophiles, but at least they slow down in school zones. (Thanks, **Quasimodem**.) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/191 "2011-02-16T22:32:47Z")
> [@TravisFromOR](#): > > What purpose would attending college serve in this case? Oh, come on, Travis! Think about what Bill Gates could have accomplished if he’d had a college degree! ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/192 "2011-02-16T22:35:47Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Oh, come on, Travis! Think about what Bill Gates could have accomplished if he’d had a college degree! Bookkeeper in a whorehouse? ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce7236/32.png) [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lisa_Simpson)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/193 "2011-02-16T22:36:30Z")
Or Jeebus. WWJD with a 4 year degree? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/194 "2011-02-16T22:47:02Z")
I have been reading this and the associated “strange prejudices” thread with interest while debating whether to chime in. I have read at least one other community college thread in the past, and I think I stayed out of that one. I think I have probably posted some of what I’m going to say in other threads on the value of degrees. I dropped out of a liberal arts college after one year to become a rock star. 🆒 That didn’t work out as planned. I struggled in the work place to find something I was good at, could stand doing, and that paid enough for me to eat. At the age of 33, I got a job as a security guard working 11 to 7 and entered a community college to learn to be a computer programmer. The college was definitely an open enrollment institution. The student body when I was there (1987 and 1988) was about evenly split between folks fresh out of high school and older people like me. Several companies in the area routinely recruited entry-level programmers from the college. I accepted a job with one about a month before I graduated, and started work right after graduation. By 2004, 16 years into my programming career, I had achieved the 6-figure salary that has been mentioned a few times in this thread as a significant indicator of success. I think that it is a significant milestone, particularly in the low-cost area of the country I’m in. I had also reached a point in my work and home life at which I could think about completing a four-year degree. So I began attending a university in a nearby city and received a BS in Management in 2007 at the age of 53. My company paid 100% of the cost, and now my mother has had the satisfaction of seeing all three of her sons graduate from universities. If I had to generalize about my experiences at community college and the university, I would say that the teachers at the CC were generally better and more motivated. They were all working professionals except for one economics teacher. I was taught accounting by a partner in an accounting firm. I was taught programming languages by people who wrote code for a living. I was taught database management by the guy who wrote what was then a highly-regarded text book on the subject, and who was a nationally-known consultant on DBMS. These people were getting paid $1,500 to teach a course for a semester, and doing it because they liked to teach. The students at the university, as a group, were better prepared and motivated than most of those at the CC I attended. The AA degree changed my life. The BS degree made my mother happy. As for our OP, I’m pretty sure it is a troll, but I’m also pretty sure it couldn’t write decent prose if its GPA depended on it. I have no prediction about when it will disappear, but if it keeps coming out with stuff like the jabs at **TravisFromOR** , I will not miss it when it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/195 "2011-02-16T22:56:41Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > She is a lot like Eliza, now that you mention it. And how does that make you feel? ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/196 "2011-02-16T23:01:08Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > If you had built a boat in four years would you lord it all over everyone else? I’m not lording anything over anyone. If people don’t want me to talk about something, you should ask me about it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/197 "2011-02-16T23:05:00Z")
Ok, how’s about you stop talking? ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce7236/32.png) [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lisa_Simpson)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/198 "2011-02-16T23:05:22Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I’m not lording anything over anyone. If people don’t want me to talk about something, _ **you should ask me about it** _. Bolding mine, italics mine. I am asking you to continue your childish rants about education. Because you know you sound like the “I got an ice cream you can’t afford it” kid from one of Eddie Murphy’s skits. Guess what kiddo. Not everyone likes your flavour ice cream, and no one here is very impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/199 "2011-02-16T23:06:22Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I’m not lording anything over anyone. What the fuck? This entire thread is you lording yourself over everyone who went to community college. > [@](#): > > If people don’t want me to talk about something, you should ask me about it. Okay then, let me ask you about your feelings on community colleges versus four year university. ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/200 "2011-02-16T23:06:55Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I have been reading this and the associated “strange prejudices” thread with interest while debating whether to chime in. I have read at least one other community college thread in the past, and I think I stayed out of that one. I think I have probably posted some of what I’m going to say in other threads on the value of degrees. > > I dropped out of a liberal arts college after one year to become a rock star. 🆒 That didn’t work out as planned. I struggled in the work place to find something I was good at, could stand doing, and that paid enough for me to eat. At the age of 33, I got a job as a security guard working 11 to 7 and entered a community college to learn to be a computer programmer. The college was definitely an open enrollment institution. The student body when I was there (1987 and 1988) was about evenly split between folks fresh out of high school and older people like me. Several companies in the area routinely recruited entry-level programmers from the college. I accepted a job with one about a month before I graduated, and started work right after graduation. > > By 2004, 16 years into my programming career, I had achieved the 6-figure salary that has been mentioned a few times in this thread as a significant indicator of success. I think that it is a significant milestone, particularly in the low-cost area of the country I’m in. I had also reached a point in my work and home life at which I could think about completing a four-year degree. So I began attending a university in a nearby city and received a BS in Management in 2007 at the age of 53. My company paid 100% of the cost, and now my mother has had the satisfaction of seeing all three of her sons graduate from universities. > > \*\*If I had to generalize about my experiences at community college and the university, I would say that the teachers at the CC were generally better and more motivated. They were all working professionals except for one economics teacher. I was taught accounting by a partner in an accounting firm. I was taught programming languages by people who wrote code for a living. I was taught database management by the guy who wrote what was then a highly-regarded text book on the subject, and who was a nationally-known consultant on DBMS. These people were getting paid $1,500 to teach a course for a semester, and doing it because they liked to teach. The students at the university, as a group, were better prepared and motivated than most of those at the CC I attended.\*\*The AA degree changed my life. The BS degree made my mother happy. > > As for our OP, I’m pretty sure it is a troll, but I’m also pretty sure it couldn’t write decent prose if its GPA depended on it. I have no prediction about when it will disappear, but if it keeps coming out with stuff like the jabs at **TravisFromOR** , I will not miss it when it goes. I’m sure the teachers are very motivated and have strong wills. It takes someone like that to work with the dreck that goes to community. I’m not a troll, I just know community college is for losers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558.md?page=11)