# Superdude **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 16, 2011, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558 "2011-02-16T07:43:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/161 "2011-02-16T21:39:52Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I like you accuse me of putting down your profession and being a snob, but you tried to put me down for being a sub. I don’t care for you or your opnion. Not because you went to community college. You’re a whiner and you have to play the victim. So how far does your Gumby stretch? ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/162 "2011-02-16T21:42:18Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I feel sad if you don’t see pride in completeing four years of work. Undergrad? Pride? Not really. Sure, I’m glad I got it done, but it was mostly a means to an end. I wanted to go on to grad school and actually do my own research, so I completed the work I needed to in order to reach that goal. I hate to break it to you, but while it was a lot of work and time, it really wasn’t all that hard. You just have to keep doing all the things they tell you to do until it’s done. And I graduated with first class honours, which I’m guessing you did not. My undergrad degree does not define my life. And by the time you’re 30 hopefully yours won’t either. People who rest on their laurels all their lives - especially when they’re feeble and mediocre laurels - are really quite pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![campp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@campp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/campp)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/163 "2011-02-16T21:44:38Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I feel sad if you don’t see pride in completeing four years of work. I think it’s funny you cannot even spell completing. :rolleyes: And you plan to teach? ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/164 "2011-02-16T21:44:41Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > Going to community college taints it all for me. Heh heh heh… “Taint”! ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/165 "2011-02-16T21:45:34Z")
> [@campp](#): > > I KNOW she’s full of shit, and I don’t even have a college degree. I can even write and spell our language correctly, and am a published author. I also make near six figures, and most importantly, lots of people like me! 🆒 I like you already. > [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > The thing I don’t understand, though, after reading through this thread and the linked thread is that the linked thread is about strange prejudices. The prejudice against community colleges is kind of stupid, but so are most of the other ones listed there. So why are people making a big deal about that and not “people who like medium steak”, or “bald people”? Those prejudices are equally stupid. Because they weren’t ingnorant pricks about it, and admitted they were irrational. > [@Trubie](#): > > If you make six figures, why don’t you go to college now? :dubious: Why should he? Seems like that would be a waste of time at this point. I vote “by this time tomorrow.” ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/166 "2011-02-16T21:57:24Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Undergrad? Pride? Not really. Sure, I’m glad I got it done, but it was mostly a means to an end. I wanted to go on to grad school and actually do my own research, so I completed the work I needed to in order to reach that goal. > > I hate to break it to you, but while it was a lot of work and time, it really wasn’t all that hard. You just have to keep doing all the things they tell you to do until it’s done. And I graduated with first class honours, which I’m guessing you did not. > > My undergrad degree does not define my life. And by the time you’re 30 hopefully yours won’t either. People who rest on their laurels all their lives - especially when they’re feeble and mediocre laurels - are really quite pathetic. I’ve made Dean’s List six times and my GPA: was never lower than 3.3 . I graduated with a 3.9 . ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/167 "2011-02-16T21:58:03Z")
Ooh ooh will she brag about her SAT score next? ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/168 "2011-02-16T21:58:29Z")
> [@campp](#): > > I think it’s funny you cannot even spell completing. :rolleyes: > > And you plan to teach? You see, I love children. I plan to give them my all. I don’t love straight dope. I don’t put extra effort into it. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/169 "2011-02-16T21:59:22Z")
Perhaps I am overly cynical, but for many things, I view attending a university as a means of making oneself more employable and increasing one’s opportunities in life. In **campp’s** case, how would it aid his\* career? If anything, taking the time off from a lucrative career would be incredibly foolish, especially since it would cost not only the tuition and the living expenses, but also the opportunity cost of doing so. I graduated from university and for the most part, it was far easier than working a real job. In a sense, university allows a lot of people to protract their adolescence in the guise of getting an education. I remember going out Thursday, Friday, Saturdays, and Sundays when I was college, and I was fairly responsible in terms of going out. Getting a degree from a four year institution doesn’t make you a better person, it makes you someone who got a degree from a four year institution. Also, as it seems you’ve noted, it doesn’t make you very employable. - I’m using the masculine tense since I am far to lazy to type his or her, every time I refer to campp. ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/170 "2011-02-16T21:59:39Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Ooh ooh will she brag about her SAT score next? No, because it’s not very high. However, I don’t pride myself on what people think. Stating facts is not bragging. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/171 "2011-02-16T22:05:21Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > Still a lot less than you. Yeah … since June of 2000, not two Fridays ago. That’s around 2 posts per day versus your almost 15 per day. What? They don’t teach math where you went to college? ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce7236/32.png) [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lisa_Simpson)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/172 "2011-02-16T22:05:59Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > No, that was not what you were doing at all. You were acting like I failed for going to a four year school to end up subbing. You also said you were never unemployed. Don’t spin it around because I called you out. > > Do you ever think I don’t catch my errors on HERE because grammar nazi are a pet peeve? No, because you didn’t learn that in junior in college. No, but I did learn in University how to debate, to read for content and how to string together a proper and coherent argument. I went to university. I chose to stop because the economy sucked for teachers, so I found something where I could get a job. I chose to go to CC for this, because I thought I would be better off knowing how to do things, rather than just spouting theory. (I had my share of that at University.) All this I have patiently explained, (several times) and pointed out that for some things Community College or an Associate’s degree is a better choice. Obviously for other careeers a 4 year or higher degree is required. By December I will have both. My mother always said to me “There will be people richer, smarter and prettier than you, and you will be richer smarter or prettier than others, but no one is BETTER than anyone else.”. I wasn’t “looking down on you” in the other thread. To quote myself > [@](#): > > Another thing about degree programs when technical, applied or community college programs exist, it drives up the price of labour and the cost gets transfered to the consumer, taxpayer or whomever ultimately pays. But hey, by all means insist your plumber, widget installer, telephone solicitor, have their Bachelor’s degree. Since you went to such a fancy dancy school I’m sure the extra charge will be no problem? > > Say what? You’re a temporary substitute teacher?. I am a college graduate and have never ever been without a full time job when I wanted one, except for 4 months between my mat leave ending and a new fiscal year starting. My sarcastic comment about you being a sub (and try using the term “substitute teacher” because otherwise you just sound like a player in the BDSM world…will it be the ball-gag or the nipple clamps today?) was merely intended as a point out that you were not really in such a lofty position in life, and maybe you might not like the extra fees that an extra level of education passes on to consumers and taxpayers. A four year degree is not always necessary desirable, or cost effective. The other thing is, you started off that post in the “strange prejudices” thread by denying that yours was in anyway strange or irrational. That above all else is why you come off like an arrogant little twerp. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/173 "2011-02-16T22:08:24Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > You see, I love children. I plan to give them my all. Isn’t that against the law in most of North America? ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/174 "2011-02-16T22:09:35Z")
> [@Caffeine.addict](#): > > Perhaps I am overly cynical, but for many things, I view attending a university as a means of making oneself more employable and increasing one’s opportunities in life. In **campp’s** case, how would it aid his\* career? If anything, taking the time off from a lucrative career would be incredibly foolish, especially since it would cost not only the tuition and the living expenses, but also the opportunity cost of doing so. > > I graduated from university and for the most part, it was far easier than working a real job. In a sense, university allows a lot of people to protract their adolescence in the guise of getting an education. I remember going out Thursday, Friday, Saturdays, and Sundays when I was college, and I was fairly responsible in terms of going out. Getting a degree from a four year institution doesn’t make you a better person, it makes you someone who got a degree from a four year institution. Also, as it seems you’ve noted, it doesn’t make you very employable. > > - I’m using the masculine tense since I am far to lazy to type his or her, every time I refer to campp. I would like to note, for those of you taking joy in the fact that I’m not a full time teacher yet, that I wouldn’t even have this job if weren’t for my degree. Where I live, I know it varies by state, one can not be a sub without a degree and cert. It’s becoming that way as more and more teachers get laid off. Secondly, I could seek other employment based on my schooling and get a very good wage. However, I’d rather take this track for a job I want. So, don’t feel I’m unemployable or I don’t have a job. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/175 "2011-02-16T22:10:36Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I’ve made Dean’s List six times and my GPA: was never lower than 3.3 . I graduated with a 3.9 . 3.3? That’s what you’re so proud of? Lame. ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/176 "2011-02-16T22:10:39Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Isn’t that against the law in most of North America? You’re a sick person. I’m done with you. It’s one thing to not like me. It’s another thing to call me a pedophile. ---
**Author:** ![Trubie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71c47a/32.png) [@Trubie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trubie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/177 "2011-02-16T22:11:42Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > 3.3? That’s what you’re so proud of? Lame. Proud? No. However, my school thought it was good enough to give me all of my classes for free. So, if you think it’s too low call them up. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/178 "2011-02-16T22:16:43Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > Proud? No. However, my school thought it was good enough to give me all of my classes for free. So, if you think it’s too low call them up. Undergrad scholarships are usually based on your high school performance. So I doubt they gave you your classes for free because of your so highly impressive 3.3. Certainly they couldn’t have based your freshman funding on that. I got to keep my undergrad scholarship (earned based on high school performance) as long as my GPA didn’t go below 3.0. I’d hardly call that a lofty goal. But please, give me the contact info for your school, because I’d really like to know what institution produced such a fine specimen as yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/179 "2011-02-16T22:17:12Z")
> [@Trubie](#): > > I would like to note, for those of you taking joy in the fact that I’m not a full time teacher yet, that I wouldn’t even have this job if weren’t for my degree. Where I live, I know it varies by state, one can not be a sub without a degree and cert. It’s becoming that way as more and more teachers get laid off. Secondly, I could seek other employment based on my schooling and get a very good wage. However, I’d rather take this track for a job I want. So, don’t feel I’m unemployable or I don’t have a job. I’m not surprised that you choose to respond to that particular portion of my post while managing to miss the entire point of that sentence, and for ignoring the rest of my post which made a larger point. Let me simplify my post for you. A four year degree does not guarantee a good job anymore. Around here, it is the bare minimum for an office job. I don’t care about your state of employment. However, for someone to be “snooty” about completing a four year degree is kind of funny. I don’t have any friends who haven’t graduated from college and the vast majority have a post graduate degree. Hell, my cleaning lady has a Master’s degree. ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce7236/32.png) [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lisa_Simpson)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558/180 "2011-02-16T22:18:24Z")
Did you get your scholarship because you were an ESL student, or for special circumstances for a girl who was raised by wolves in a cave? Because you are one of the most inarticulate university graduates I have ever met, if English is your first language. If not, then kudos, you are doing very well and you are an inspiration. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superdude/571558.md?page=10)