# Superhero battles we'd like to see. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 1, 2005, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865 "2005-11-01T05:13:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/41 "2005-11-02T13:35:17Z")
> [@Dan Norder](#): > > I don’t think any of the classic Teen Titans would have a chance in the world, and it’s likely Spidey would have an OK chance of taking the whole team on at once, as he has extensive experience fighting whole groups of second stringers. > > Nightwing?? For crying out loud, you yourself personally would have a better chance taking out a tank with just your bare hands. Second stringers like the X-Men? (Secret Wars). Spidey also once punched out a herald of Galactus. In Nightwing’s favor, he has regularly gone against the very Spiderman-like Deathstroke: enhanced strength and reflexes, plus an array of weapons. Deathstroke once took on the Justice League including Flash and Green Lantern and nearly won. In a competent writer’s hand, Spiderman versus Nightwing would be a very good fight, and the predetermined winner would have a good reason for winning while the loser would still look good. In the hands of a rabid fan of either of the participants, you’ll have crap one-offs like those mentioned above laying the groundwork for a very one-sided fight (ignoring the other side’s one-offs). ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/42 "2005-11-02T13:43:18Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > On the comedy side… > > The Tick Vs. Spider-Man > The Tick Vs. Bizzaro > American Maid Vs. Wonder Woman > Fishboy, Crown Prince of Atlantis Vs. Aquaman > Barry (the other Tick) Vs. Captain America > > The Human Ton and Handy Vs. Juggernaut > The Terror Vs. Magneto > Thrakkorzog Vs Martian Manhunter The Tick vs. Spiderman is a funny idea. Grenn on Green Martian Manhunter vs. the Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/43 "2005-11-02T13:49:24Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > I think you might be thinking of Deathstroke, The Terminator. Nemesis to the New Teen Titans for a long time, I believe. (Yes, the movie people had to pay DC for the use of the name.) > > It’s kinda weird that I know that. Never read Teen Titans, but had a good friend who was ga-ga over them in the early '80s. That’s right thanks. I always liked the charecter and collected a limited series years ago. Deathstroke vs. Punisher crossover could be pretty cool. If they wound up working together vs. A common enemy then I pity the fools. Iron Fist vs. the Legions Karate Kid. Of course he’d ave to come back to life first. Then there’s Ferro lad, vs Iron Man, or better yet the Thing. The piece of Iron vs. the pile of rocks. ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/44 "2005-11-02T13:58:04Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Iron Fist vs. the Legions Karate Kid. Of course he’d ave to come back to life first. Since both those characters died, which one are you referring to? Both are back again, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/45 "2005-11-02T14:05:26Z")
> [@Dan Norder](#): > > I’m sorry, but ain’t now way no how freaking Nightwing could come close to dealing with Spider-man. Spidey has pretty remarkable super strength (on par with some heroes where that’s their only schtick), reflexes that are insanely wuperpowered, and a spider sense to know when someone is up to a trick. Freaking Batman couldn’t take on Spidey, unless you assume that he could research out a way to find one of the chemicals some villain of Spidey’s or another used to take out his spider-sense. > > I don’t think any of the classic Teen Titans would have a chance in the world, and it’s likely Spidey would have an OK chance of taking the whole team on at once, as he has extensive experience fighting whole groups of second stringers. > > Nightwing?? For crying out loud, you yourself personally would have a better chance taking out a tank with just your bare hands. I agree. No non super powered charecter would last long with Spidey in any serious fight. Too fast and too strong. Punches from the non super powered should be hardly felt by Mr’s Parkers little boy. For reasons known only to the inner circle whenever Spidey fights the non super he seems much slower and less strong. I remember reading the Spiderman Daredevil meetups and wondering why Spidey didn’t swat him aside. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/46 "2005-11-02T14:08:28Z")
> [@bmoak](#): > > Since both those characters died, which one are you referring to? > > Both are back again, anyway. I see, It’s been many years since I followed the comics. The Karate Kid saga where he died was quite good. I hadn’t heard about Iron Fist. Hey! Did I hear that Blue Beetle died? Not the original that was years ago, but the other non super one. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/47 "2005-11-02T14:29:11Z")
Daredevil is superstrong and super agile, as well. Gifts from the toxic waste. Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. The JLA and Byrne (WWII) crossovers are available in trade paperback. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/48 "2005-11-02T14:34:48Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Hey! Did I hear that Blue Beetle died? Not the original that was years ago, but the other non super one. Yes, shot in the head by Maxwell Lord. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/49 "2005-11-02T14:35:49Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Yes, shot in the head by Maxwell Lord. …during 'Countdown To Infinite Crisis." ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/50 "2005-11-02T14:36:15Z")
Ambush Bug vs. Impossible Man. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/51 "2005-11-02T14:51:52Z")
> [@Max Carnage](#): > > Three times… > > In **JLA vs Avengers** they fought to a draw countering each others’ moves until Batman concedes that given time Cap could beat him. Much better than Cap getting clunked by a batarang after being knocked off his feet by a wave in the sewers. To nitpick, Batman concedes that Cap _might_ be able to beat him, if memory serves. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Ambush Bug vs. Impossible Man. Heh. More on equal footing, how about Ambush Bug vs. Madcap or Slapstick, and Impossible Man vs. Mr. Mxyzptlk? Then again, it has been hinted unofficially that Mxy and the Imp are the same guy… > [@Ranchoth](#): > > Batman vs. Doctor Manhattan. “I reassembled myself from component particles twice. I cannot be discorporated… I can use my abilities to perceive the future as the present… (beat)Wait a minute, I lose?” ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/52 "2005-11-02T15:04:57Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Daredevil is superstrong and super agile, as well. Gifts from the toxic waste. Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. > The JLA and Byrne (WWII) crossovers are available in trade paperback. Um…no he isn’t, unless they reinvented his origin. The toxic waste blinded him and heightened his other senses as well as giving him a sort of radar. His physical gifts are the result of years of training. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/53 "2005-11-02T15:09:21Z")
[Daredevil](http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/daredevil.htm) > [@](#): > > Known powers: Daredevil possesses the normal human strength of a man his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. Daredevil’s five sense are heightened to beyond that of even superhumanly enhanced sense. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/54 "2005-11-02T15:27:15Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > For reasons known only to the inner circle whenever Spidey fights the non super he seems much slower and less strong. I remember reading the Spiderman Daredevil meetups and wondering why Spidey didn’t swat him aside. Spider-Man holds back whenever he fights a “normal” foe. One of the few times he let loose was against the Sin-Eater (?), who he left a crippled mess AND this guy had a version of the super soldier formula running in veins. I think in that story-line, The Death of Jean DeWolf …Daredevil is aware of his limitations against Spider-Man and uses Spider-Man’s rage against himself in order to “blind” him into ignoring his Spider-sense and get the drop on him. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/55 "2005-11-02T16:27:20Z")
Did the Pre-Crisis version of Wonder Woman ever take on Spider-Man? That would be an interesting battle. The current version of Wonder Woman would take him down with a minimum of fuss, but in the earlier era, she was nowhere near as strong/durable as she is now, so Spidey would have a much better chance! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/56 "2005-11-02T16:39:31Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Second stringers like the X-Men? (Secret Wars). Spidey also once punched out a herald of Galactus. In Nightwing’s favor, he has regularly gone against the very Spiderman-like Deathstroke: enhanced strength and reflexes, plus an array of weapons. Deathstroke once took on the Justice League including Flash and Green Lantern and nearly won. 😕 Does this seem kinda brokey to anyone else? Cause to me this sounds like Nightwing could take on the JLA by himself. > [@](#): > > In a competent writer’s hand, Spiderman versus Nightwing would be a very good fight, and the predetermined winner would have a good reason for winning while the loser would still look good. In the hands of a rabid fan of either of the participants, you’ll have crap one-offs like those mentioned above laying the groundwork for a very one-sided fight (ignoring the other side’s one-offs). This sort of thing is silly. There’s only so far you can make a fight even before you strain even the most comic bookiest sense of plausibility. I mean, I think Spider Man is great, but Superman would hand him his ass in about 10 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/57 "2005-11-02T16:50:48Z")
Let’s all remember that every comic book character will be exactly as powerful as the scriptwriter(s) want him/her to be for any particular story. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/58 "2005-11-02T16:57:15Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > 😕 Does this seem kinda brokey to anyone else? Cause to me this sounds like Nightwing could take on the JLA by himself. Agreed. Happens too often in comic books, though. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > This sort of thing is silly. There’s only so far you can make a fight even before you strain even the most comic bookiest sense of plausibility. I mean, I think Spider Man is great, but Superman would hand him his ass in about 10 seconds. But Spiderman beat a herald of Galactus in a fist fight! _A frickin’ HERALD of GALACTUS!_ I can’t remember who wrote that issue (yes, it took only one issue), but someone needed to take him out back after that and give him a good smack with the good ol’ Clue-by-Four[sup]TM[/sup]. Spiderman has had difficulty against highly skilled normals many times in the past. Nightwing is a highly skilled normal. Whether it is because Spiderman holds back or whatever other plot contrivance it comes down to, superhero fights are rarely open arena free-for-alls, especially when its super vs. normal. If you are going to throw out standard comic book conventions for these fights, then yes, the odds are heavily, even overwhelmingly, stacked in Spiderman’s favor. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/59 "2005-11-02T17:41:29Z")
Did Wonder Man ever fight Doc Samson or the Thing. He musta fought the Thing. How about Xmen vs. Thunder Agents? or FF vs. Thunder Agents Dynamo vs. Thing would be good. Of course DoomsDay vs. Hulk would bring down skyscrapers. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/60 "2005-11-02T17:49:26Z")
OO Ooo I know. Amazing MAn vs. Absorbing Man [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865.md?page=4)