# Superhero battles we'd like to see. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 1, 2005, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865 "2005-11-01T05:13:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/81 "2005-11-03T00:08:19Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Pshaw. GLA wins it hands down. Mr. Immortal is always the last man standing. > > Doomsday vs. Juggernaut > > Superman vs. Juggernaut > > Wonder Woman vs. Rogue Good suggestions. How about Supes, Juggernaut, Doomsday, and Hulk in a fourway bashfest to shatter a planet. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/82 "2005-11-03T00:16:14Z")
We seem yo have forgottem the old Gold Key charecters and Valient. Iron Man vs. XO manof War. Magnus vs. who? Doc Samson? Spidy? Captain America? ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/83 "2005-11-03T00:18:12Z")
> [@Enola Straight](#): > > Why don’t we include characters which didn’t originate in a comic book, yet have arguably attained superhero status? > > Characters whose primary source material are TV, the movies, and literature. > > Luke Skywalker > Paul Atreides > Neo > John McClane > Steve Austin > Robocop > K.I.T.T. > Sherlock Holmes > James Bond Hmmm Sherlock Holmes, not really an epic battle kind of guy. I can see the league of Extraordinary Gentlemen vs. Xmen or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/84 "2005-11-03T00:40:14Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > Been done. Twice. Bats won. Surprised? 😛 I was particularly amused by the one that got snared in the Batcave’s defenses and taken down by Alfred. Such indignity. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/85 "2005-11-03T01:01:35Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Magnus vs. who? Magnus: Robot Fighter would rip Cable a new one, literarly. Same goes with most any other cyborg in the Marvel universe, save for Deathshead. That’s where the Doctor (Who?) needs to step in. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/86 "2005-11-03T01:04:40Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > We seem yo have forgottem the old Gold Key charecters and Valient. Well, hell… Wendy and Casper vs. Dr. Strange Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Flash vs. Quicksilver Barry Ween vs. Dr. Doom Phoney Bone vs. Scrooge McDuck Grandma Ben vs. Poopdeck Pappy Archie Andrews vs. Cherry Poptart :eek: Omaha the Cat Dancer vs. Mary Jane Watson-Parker 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/87 "2005-11-03T01:48:56Z")
Batman vs. Corwyn of Amber Bye, bye Mr. Bat. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/88 "2005-11-03T03:18:45Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Well, hell… > > Archie Andrews vs. Cherry Poptart :eek: > 😃 No contest! She would fuck him up (and down) something fierce. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/89 "2005-11-03T04:27:37Z")
> [@Epimetheus](#): > > Batman vs. Corwyn of Amber > > Bye, bye Mr. Bat. Maybe, maybe not. The way for Batman to take down any Amberite is to go about it the same way an Amberite would i.e. use their ego and ambition against them. For that matter, Corwin is stronger than a normal human being, but not Superman-strong. Though he regenerates and heals better than a normal human, he isn’t invulnerable. Shadow walking is kewl, but it isn’t offensive magic. I think Corwin could well end up taking a Bat-beating. ---
**Author:** ![Catalyst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@Catalyst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catalyst)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/90 "2005-11-03T09:58:39Z")
[QUOTE=Derleth] [ul] [li] **Batman vs. a Predator** : Batman is _not_ prepared. A Predator lands in Gotham and goes on a jolly rampage taking out cops and crooks alike (not that there’s much difference, in Gotham), and it’s up to Bats (and possibly some of the supervillians) to find out what’s going on.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE] [Batman: Dead End](http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/nonsw/batman_deadend/index.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/91 "2005-11-03T10:10:11Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Note that Bats vs. a T-800 is a foregone conclusion: I think he could make scrap metal out of that kind of Terminator without so much as breaking a sweat. The sad thing is, you’re probably right. Not that I’d _mind_ killing a rampaging Terminator, but it’s the _principle_ that bugs me. > [@rjung](#): > > Omaha the Cat Dancer vs. Mary Jane Watson-Parker 😃 Oh my. :eek: Still nicer than Omaha vs. Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, tho’. “I’m a spitfire working girl trying to make it on her own in a man’s world!” “I killed again, tonight, to see if I still feel. Killed again and again…must exterminate the flesh, kill the _brute_…” :eek: “Uh…” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/92 "2005-11-03T12:27:35Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Maybe, maybe not. The way for Batman to take down any Amberite is to go about it the same way an Amberite would i.e. use their ego and ambition against them. For that matter, Corwin is stronger than a normal human being, but not Superman-strong. Though he regenerates and heals better than a normal human, he isn’t invulnerable. Shadow walking is kewl, but it isn’t offensive magic. I think Corwin could well end up taking a Bat-beating. Well the point is he doesn’t have any real weakness’. He is stronger, can fight better, is much more resourceful, and face it, has dealt with just as many badasses. There is no way for batman to find out much about Corwin either, unless he has acess to the Courts, or even knows about the many worlds. All this is ignoring the fact that since Batman is a mere shadowfuck, all Corwin has to do is use his pattern to wipe him from existence. (Yeah, Corwin doesn’t display this skillset in the first series but he has the tools, and it becomes clear later that this is entirely possible, and even pretty easy) Bats has nothing on the Machivellian nature of the Amberites. Of course, if somebody like Cain were supplying information, goods, and items of power to the old batman, I can see where it would make an interesting story. Without some sort of internal support though, Bats really doesn’t stand a chance. With a warfare as high as Corwins, not to mention his endurance, Corwin is better than anybody in the DC universe in fighting skills, and can outlast them. I don’t think Bats can fight for a week straight, full out. Personally I think just about any of the Lords of Chaos would whup him too. Probably have an easier time of it to boot. (Chaos death bolt anybody?) ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/93 "2005-11-03T12:36:58Z")
Oh, I also think you are vastly understimating the power of shadowalking too. It is certainly better than “neat.” A week worth of walking and he can find an army of 100 million. He can search for information, he can find enemies, weaknesses, and a myriad of other possibilities. The most notable is that being able to search for things of power just by thinking of them and walking. Personally I think little ol Random would be able to put the smack down on the man of bats. All the other Royal family members would have their way with him as well (excluding of course Flora and Gerard, and they might give him a hard time) ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/94 "2005-11-03T12:55:39Z")
I think you are overestimating Corwin’s combat skills. I’ve read all of Zelazny’s Amber books and there wasn’t anything there that indicates that Corwin was the master of combat you describe. He was certainly a first class swordsman, but I otherwise don’t remember him displaying any particular martial arts skills. Perhaps you are thinking of his brother Benedict. I think you are also underestimating Corwin’s vulnerability to conventional weapons. Something as simple as one of the explosive devices in Batman’s utility belt is more than capable of putting him down, if not outright killing him. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/95 "2005-11-03T13:15:41Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I think you are overestimating Corwin’s combat skills. I’ve read all of Zelazny’s Amber books and there wasn’t anything there that indicates that Corwin was the master of combat you describe. He was certainly a first class swordsman, but I otherwise don’t remember him displaying any particular martial arts skills. Perhaps you are thinking of his brother Benedict. I think you are also underestimating Corwin’s vulnerability to conventional weapons. Something as simple as one of the explosive devices in Batman’s utility belt is more than capable of putting him down, if not outright killing him. Ok, the deal is, in every instance of combat, Corwin was fighting people above normal. Corwin was wiley enough to beat Benedict (though he was missing an arm at the time), he fought up the stairs of Kolvir, which took all day, and he fought thousands of men single handedly and won every single time. He wasn’t Benedict, but he was an amberite. Pick up the Amber DRPG manual if you get a chance and look into the stat of warfare. Zero points in warfare is Amber normal. It is equivilant to the top fighters on Earth. Human -25 is the equivilant of a normal couch potato human male. Bennedict, in all of his versions in the DRPG manual had 100+ points of warfare, Corwin had I think 80 at the lowest. Giving Batman a human upgrade, and being nice, even 20 points of warfare, Corwin would be four times faster and four times tactically and skillfully superior to batman. Warfare is everything, and Corwin doesn’t mess around. He cheats, he doesn’t play games, and he would win the first go round. This isn’t inconsistent with Batman at all. He often loses the first time, and finds the bad guys weakness and uses it against him. If Batman lost, he would be dead. Corwin would cut him clean in half and not look backward. Corwin is a mean cuss, and doesn’t have qualms about killing in most instances. Even if Batman survived, Corwin doesn’t have weaknesses. Batman fought dracula and lost, several times before he used sunlight to his advantage. Corwin is at least as fast, reflexively, and likely just as strong. Dracula wasn’t using a destructive damage sword though, and wasn’t trying to kill him, only play with him. Corwin could be vulnerable to his explosives, true, but Batman typically reserves those for when his hand to hand doesn’t pan out. Batman wouldn’t survive round one of the hand to hand, and wouldn’t be able to use his explosives. Like I said, Corwin doesn’t play around, ask Lord Borel, the rider of the Courts of Chaos that Corwin cut down mercilessly. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/96 "2005-11-03T13:18:58Z")
BTW, I am not only going off both series of books, and the RPG manuals, but going on 10 years of DRPG experience playing amber. 😉 We have actually fought the X-men, Batman, Superman, hordes of zombies, and even Dracula. The fights weren’t pretty mind you, but we weren’t as powerful as Corwin. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/97 "2005-11-03T13:29:09Z")
> [@Epimetheus](#): > > BTW, I am not only going off both series of books, and the RPG manuals, but going on 10 years of DRPG experience playing amber. 😉 > > We have actually fought the X-men, Batman, Superman, hordes of zombies, and even Dracula. The fights weren’t pretty mind you, but we weren’t as powerful as Corwin. 😛 Role playing games are fun, but I don’t consider character data from them to be “canon.” Not to sound snotty, but Corwin et. al. were Zelazny’s characters, so I will confine myself to what he wrote about them. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/98 "2005-11-03T14:09:48Z")
Clearly, Batman is an echo of Benedict. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/100 "2005-11-03T14:20:16Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Clearly, Batman is an echo of Benedict. You might be on to something there. ---
**Author:** ![Catalyst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@Catalyst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catalyst)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superhero-battles-wed-like-to-see/328865/101 "2005-11-03T14:52:13Z")
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