# Superman (2025) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [December 19, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886 "2024-12-19T20:06:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/1 "2024-12-19T20:06:57Z")
This already looks amazing. Hoping my favorite hero is done right this time. > **[Superman | Official Teaser Trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhUht6vAsMY%5C)** > > On July 11, It Begins. Superman - Only in Theaters 2025 #Superman #FilmedForIMAX @IMAXSign up to get Fan First updates on all things DC Studios at DCStudios.com ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/2 "2024-12-19T20:25:35Z")
I’m hoping it will be good. I don’t like that many of the DC superhero movies, particularly the Batman ones, are so “dark”. I miss the lightness of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/3 "2024-12-19T20:25:53Z")
I was not expecting to see Hawkgirl, Guy Gardner, or Krypto the Super-Dog, that’s for sure. This movie looks fun. I haven’t enjoyed any of the Superman films since Superman Returns and this is giving me similar vibes to that movie. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/4 "2024-12-19T20:30:59Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I don’t like that many of the DC superhero movies, particularly the Batman ones, are so “dark”. I miss the lightness of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. I was going to post that James Gunn seems to have hit the sweet spot, where he can put a lot of humor and color into his films without making them campy. But I wanted to see the clip before posting. And now I see this is a James Gunn film, LOL. 😆 I’m extremely interested in this. I also liked his Suicide Squad film so I know he can make DC fun. > [@Smapti](#): > > I was not expecting to see Hawkgirl, Guy Gardner, or Krypto the Super-Dog, that’s for sure. Mr. Terrific was in it also! [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Mister_Terrific_%28Michael_Holt%29.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Mister_Terrific_%28Michael_Holt%29.png) (People who watched the CW _Flash_ show may recognize the character.) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/5 "2024-12-19T20:33:23Z")
It’s a bit of a wonder that DC has had little success with comic book movies compared to Marvel despite iconic characters like Batman or, especially, Superman. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/6 "2024-12-19T20:46:21Z")
I like that this Superman can, in fact, bleed. Having him be completely invulnerable takes all the tension from his action scenes. It looks like they seem to be creating a milieu where superheroes and supervillains are much more common than in previous DC movies. I like that they’re leaning into the craziness of the comic book universe. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > It’s a bit of a wonder that DC has had little success with comic book movies compared to Marvel despite iconic characters like Batman or, especially, Superman. The Burton and Nolan Batman movies were very successful. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/7 "2024-12-19T20:48:38Z")
Yes they were successful but they were so dark. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/8 "2024-12-19T20:50:04Z")
Yeah James Gunn has said this will _not_ be an origin story and will begin with heroes being a fact of life in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/9 "2024-12-19T20:52:03Z")
That’s probably for the best. How many Spiderman films were origin stories? I thought several. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/10 "2024-12-19T20:55:09Z")
I think you can credit [Kevin Feige](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Feige). He was hired on to be associate producer of the first _X-Men_ film in 2000, due to his massive knowledge of the Marvel comic book universe. He impressed Avi Arad (who ran Marvel at the time) so much that he essentially became Arad’s second-in-command at Marvel. That film was the start of the extremely successful films from Marvel, and he has been part of them ever since. So yeah, I think it all starts with that one guy. His fingerprints are all over everything Marvel has done cinematically during their run of highly successful films. DC never had him. Maybe James Gunn can be DC’s magic feather. Though I’m not sure he could direct _all_ of their films, but maybe he can be involved in them somewhat. > [@Quimby](#): > > Yeah James Gunn has said this will _not_ be an origin story and will begin with heroes being a fact of life in the world. From what I’ve read, this film takes place after Superman is already part of the world (so not a _Smallville_ style origin story) but where he’s not already established as a total legend (so not as far along as he was in the DC Extended Universe films). I also love that the Lex Luthor in this movie was reportedly inspired by the _Smallville_ version, because that’s my favorite version of that character from any on-screen portrayal. (Of course YMMV.) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/11 "2024-12-19T21:05:42Z")
Definitely Kevin Feige deserves a lot of credit for the Marvel success. I hope he was well compensated for the billions in box office revenues. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/12 "2024-12-19T21:07:17Z")
His biggest failure was losing James Gunn to DC, and now we are seeing the results. Trailer looks awesome, very excited for this now when I had zero interest a few minutes ago. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/13 "2024-12-19T22:28:57Z")
My problem with previous Superman movies was that he was just too powerful. He was bullet-proof, could fly, travel in space without a suit, shoot lasers from his eyes, breathe frost, lift a huge weight and run as fast as the Flash. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/14 "2024-12-19T22:33:27Z")
I read someplace that this apparent invulnerability make Superman boring and hard to write for. Batman, on the other hand, has no superpowers but is just really fit with lots of tools. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/15 "2024-12-19T22:35:11Z")
That’s how powerful Superman is. The trick is to write him so he’s relatable, which is what the last couple of movies tried. The problem was that they were written by super-creep Bryan SInger (so we had Supervoyeur) and Zach Schneider who did not understand the character at all. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/16 "2024-12-19T22:36:48Z")
> [@glee](#): > > He was bullet-proof, could fly, travel in space without a suit, shoot lasers from his eyes, breathe frost, lift a huge weight and run as fast as the Flash. That’s just Superman the character, that’s kind of the point of the character. If he didn’t do all that, he wouldn’t be Superman. In a world of superheroes, he’s the apex. I found the most interesting stories to be ones where his powers couldn’t fix things. Who cares if he can shrug off a rocket blast or punch through a mountain if he puts his foot in his mouth talking to Lois or struggles to preserve his secret identity. Or the stories where his powers are the problem themselves. Such as when he’s tempted to become a benevolent tyrant to protect people from themselves. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/17 "2024-12-19T22:37:31Z")
> [@glee](#): > > My problem with previous Superman movies was that he was just too powerful. > He was bullet-proof, could fly, travel in space without a suit, shoot lasers from his eyes, breathe frost, lift a huge weight and run as fast as the Flash. That’s only a problem if you have him fighting regular people. Which obviously hasn’t been the case since like the 60s TV show. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/18 "2024-12-19T22:40:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Which obviously hasn’t been the case since like the 60s TV show. I love the old Superman shows where someone unloads a gun at him and then when the gun is empty, throws the gun at him. Makes me want to write a sketch where the gun knocks him out cold and the criminal goes, “Oh, he’s literally **just** bullet-proof!” ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/19 "2024-12-19T23:26:20Z")
Yeah one of the main points of Superman is he is the most powerful person in the world but he chooses to use that power to help others and inspire. His power is a feature not a bug. The idea is he tries to use his powers in a way so he doesn’t just tear the bank robber limb from limb. This is why a character like Homelander is so shocking because he makes no effort at all to do that. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886/20 "2024-12-19T23:28:47Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Guy Gardner Played by Nathan Fillion, at that! [![](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/superman-teaser-trailer-guy-gardner-nathan-fillion.jpg) ](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/superman-teaser-trailer-guy-gardner-nathan-fillion.jpg) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/superman-2025/1011886.md?page=2)