# Supreme Court \[declines to hear\] same sex marriage cases.\[plus further developments (Ed.)\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 6, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544 "2014-10-06T13:50:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/161 "2014-10-09T17:07:59Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not so sure. Just because you find there is no constitutional right to SSM does no mean that you oppose it. They would just be saying that it is a matter for the legislature and not the courts. Beyond that, all the current conservative members of the court are already on record as opposing same-sex marriage. > [@jtgain](#): > > Disagree. Your second sentence contradicts your first. The traditional meaning of the word “marriage” had a gender component. When you remove the gender component, you change the meaning of the word. The traditional meaning of the word marriage also implied that the wife was the property of the husband and all sorts of ideas that we have since abandoned. If you’re going to be consistent about calling it (for example), “gay divorce”, it ought to be “gay no-fault divorce”. > [@etv78](#): > > AFAIK, out Pacific territories (Guam, etc.) are part of the 9th. [Correct](http://www.uscourts.gov/uscourts/images/CircuitMap.pdf). Except American Samoa, whose appeals are heard depending on which trial court had jurisdiction originally (apparently this is a bit of a haphazard thing with many being heard in the DC district court.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/162 "2014-10-09T17:23:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Is this a whoosh? Jeez, you mean business suffers when it can’t abuse the commons in ways that badly harm others? _How awful!_ Yes. You have been whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/163 "2014-10-09T19:10:49Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > The ID side has until the end of today to present their case. NV might have another day. NV is a no brainer because of standing. ID could get a little interesting but they are just delaying the inevitable. The NV group just withdrew their stay request so it seems that marriages can start there. The WV AG announced that he isn’t fighting it so add another to the win column. SC is still going for the futile fight. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/164 "2014-10-09T20:25:20Z")
Knorf: I believe Goldwater voiced his warning LONG before '94. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/165 "2014-10-09T23:29:57Z")
After the dust has settled today, we now officially have SSM in West Virginia and Nevada. That makes 27 States plus DC. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/166 "2014-10-10T01:11:38Z")
And let the weddings begin! [First Gay Couple Gets Married in Las Vegas](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/gay-couples-las-vegas-marriage-licenses-26089349) In West Virginia: [Local same-sex couples wed](http://www.herald-dispatch.com/x1827256326/Same-sex-couples-wed-in-Cabell-County) ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/167 "2014-10-10T03:04:35Z")
The Idaho god squad raised sufficient hell to get a temporary stay, but probably even they know it’s just a nuisance move at this point. It is unlikely to stand. Meanwhile [one couple](http://news.yahoo.com/1-idaho-gay-couple-gets-married-another-denied-223850078.html) in the whole benighted state got in under the wire by being first in line at the courthouse… their license was issued before the stay was announced. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/168 "2014-10-10T03:11:26Z")
Good job making sure their baby isn’t a bastard. 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/169 "2014-10-10T05:38:08Z")
One county in Kansas is issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples. All the other counties are resisting. [http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/10/08/3577818/kansas-state-marriage-order/](http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/10/08/3577818/kansas-state-marriage-order/) ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/170 "2014-10-10T09:31:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Isn’t 1964 arguably when Republicans started to abandon sanity, ie they moved to embrace southern bible-thumping bigots as an election strategy. More specifically, the GOP embrace of bigots is a Nixon legacy. Remember Lincoln was GOP - so the South was solid Democrat, even after Hubert Humpfrey’s (look him up) famous Civil Rights speech at the 1948 Democratic National Convention, causing the infamous mass walk-out by the so-called “Dixie-Crats”. The 1964 Civil Rights Act (signed by a Son of the south, LBJ) cemented it. It was Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” (1968) which married the GOP and the Antioch Baptist Church and its ilk. That turned the old CSA from solid Blue to solid Red. If the GOP abandons the bigots, they go back to losing the White House every time. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/171 "2014-10-10T13:47:43Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > If the GOP abandons the bigots, they go back to losing the White House every time. Well, maybe the bigots can be foisted off on loony impotent third parties, leaving the Democrats and Republicans to appeal to the remaining majority - reasonably educated urban types. So let’s say 15% of the American voting population is serious hardcore stupid and would vote for the American Nazi Party if only the lamestream media weren’t out to make that seem bad or something, and the remaining 85% can be reasoned with. Can Republicans get 43% out of that 85%? Just musing. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/172 "2014-10-10T13:54:20Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > If the GOP abandons the bigots, they go back to losing the White House every time. Even if you don’t agree they’re already there: Keeping that demographic voting for you only takes a superficial reason, and those are pitifully easy to dream up. If the “God, guns, and gays” platform is now missing the \*gays \*part, so what, they can easily replace it with \*Mexicans \*by drumming up immigration fears. You may have noticed that happening at about the same rate as gay-bashing has subsided. The beauty of it is that nativism is always effective and hard to combat. It’s not an accomplishment, or even respectable, for a hack pol or a hack party to turn worry into fear, fear into anger, and anger into votes. All it takes is to have a substantial part of the population feeling a little worried about things. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/173 "2014-10-10T16:19:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s not an accomplishment, or even respectable, for a hack pol or a hack party to turn worry into fear, fear into anger, and anger into votes. Is it wrong that I’m picturing Yoda lecturing an auditorium of political middle managers? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/174 "2014-10-10T16:20:06Z")
Wrong it is. Ashamed you should be. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/175 "2014-10-10T16:21:01Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, maybe the bigots can be foisted off on loony impotent third parties, leaving the Democrats and Republicans to appeal to the remaining majority - reasonably educated urban types. So let’s say 15% of the American voting population is serious hardcore stupid and would vote for the American Nazi Party if only the lamestream media weren’t out to make that seem bad or something, and the remaining 85% can be reasoned with. Can Republicans get 43% out of that 85%? > > Just musing. Unlikely, given that the 15% would come almost entirely out of their portion of the 100%. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/176 "2014-10-10T16:33:27Z")
So the sane remnant would obviously need to shift their platform a bit, to capture more of the middle from the Democrats. Something along those lines is almost sure to happen eventually; it’s just a question of when. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/177 "2014-10-10T16:39:10Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Unlikely, given that the 15% would come almost entirely out of their portion of the 100%. You’d be surprised. Even Democratic voters in many rural and southern areas are pretty… um, backward. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/178 "2014-10-10T23:30:10Z")
I would like to welcome North Carolina to the fold. > **[HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News](https://www.huffpost.com/?err_code=404&err_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2014%2F10%2F10%2Fnorth-carolina-gay-marriage_n_5968130.html%3Fncid%3Dtxtlnkusaolp00000592)** > > Read the latest headlines, news stories, and opinion from Politics, Entertainment, Life, Perspectives, and more. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/179 "2014-10-10T23:36:47Z")
And SCOTUS denied the stay in ID. [http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/same-sex-couples-can-marry-in-idaho](http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/same-sex-couples-can-marry-in-idaho) ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544/180 "2014-10-11T02:59:59Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Unlikely, given that the 15% would come almost entirely out of their portion of the 100%. Not sure about this. There a LOT of places where you could run as a true “fiscal conservative, social liberal” and be competitive (if not out-right win). As long as social liberal didn’t involve guns, you could build a base out of that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-same-sex-marriage-cases-plus-further-developments-ed/700544.md?page=10)