# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/424 "2022-05-04T20:15:38Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I’ve no doubt plenty of them couldn’t give a rat about abortion, interracial marriage, or a host of other things The most obvious example was Trump, who I am certain has no personal opposition to abortion. (he probably is against interracial marriage however) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/425 "2022-05-04T20:33:16Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > he probably is against interracial marriage however) I’m sure he doesn’t actually care about other peoples’ marriages, but he would be happy to speak up for such a ban. Let’s not give him credit for actually putting any thought into his opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/426 "2022-05-04T20:35:46Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Let’s not give him credit for actually putting any thought into his opinions. I think he’s quite racist, so I don’t think being against interracial marriage takes a lot of thought on his part. Just gut instinct. /end tangent ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/427 "2022-05-04T21:55:18Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > FWIW I don’t believe Mike Braun is advocating banning interracial marriage with his comments, nor do I actually think any State, even the reddest, would do so if _Loving_ was overturned. But I **do** think there are more conservatives, especially the ones who largely think the Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act (1964), _Brown v Board_ , et al. were “mistakes” and not grounded in constitutional law (which I patently disagree with–they are all entirely justified by the 14th Amendment.) I think those conservatives would indeed want to see Loving struck down just because they view it as an interference with State’s rights, but that doesn’t actually mean they would rush to impose anti-miscegenation. I can’t look inside Mike Braun’s skull and I don’t know the man, but I _again_ tell you that I know actual real human beings who _really do_ want to outlaw interracial marriage. And worse. And they do call themselves Republicans and love Trump and while right now they’re fringe I really do fear their sort gaining power, whether nationally or even on a local level. > [@E-DUB](#): > > It’s one thing for the states being able to “decide” this, but quite another for zombie laws, for which no living person ever voted, to come back info effect after decades of inactivity. This is going to get real, _real_ ugly. I’m old enough to remember pre-Roe days. The laws being passed in places like Texas today are worse than the ones they had back then. Back then, everyone knew of women who’d do things like take a bus from the Midwest to New York to get the deed done, but no one was prosecuted for crossing state lines. The new laws being passed are more stringent. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/428 "2022-05-04T21:59:08Z")
I was one. I’ve typically been center right, though not consistently (for example, I have always been sympathetic to undocumented immigrants). For too long a time I held onto the belief that the GOP, while definitely with a looney fringe, was sane and most consistent with my principles. Now the looney fringe is the party. I’m 61 years old, and until 2016, I had never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate. I’ve also become markedly more progressive in the interim. Nothing could make me vote for a Republican, not at any level. Anyway, there are a few of us. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/429 "2022-05-04T22:01:01Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Interacial marriage has a [94% approval rating](https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx) so even taking into account our political segregation, it is highly unlikely that there is a state anywhere close to a majority thinks that interracial marriage is bad, much less wants it outlawed. While I don’t disagree that there _probably_ won’t be any states moving to ban interracial marriage, simply citing a public opinion poll as your argument misses the point. Once certain people are in power, and - perhaps more importantly - are unafraid of losing their power, they will make whatever laws they want, public opinion be damned. That’s what totalitarianism looks like, and if you think it can’t happen here you haven’t been paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/430 "2022-05-04T22:13:28Z")
While I don’t think any states will be going after interracial marriage anytime soon, I fully expect Texas to target gay marriage, and possibly even sodomy. Anyone remember this from last year? > **[Texas Lawmaker Argues Same-Sex Marriage Is Still Illegal in the State](https://www.advocate.com/news/2021/10/23/texas-state-rep-argues-anti-marriage-equality-law--valid-james-white)** > > Rep. James White wrote a letter to the state's attorney general asking for clarification, writing that the U.S. Supreme Court cannot overrule state laws. Apparently Texas still has laws on the books defining marriage as between one man and one woman, forbidding the recognition of civil unions and criminalizing homosexual sex. And some lawmakers apparently think the Supreme Court can’t overrule state laws. I wonder if they’ll set up a challenge to Obergefell? If the SC strikes it down, Texas wouldn’t even have to pass new laws. The old ones are still on the books. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/431 "2022-05-04T22:59:21Z")
/reopening tangent despite better judgement Actually I think opposition to interracial marriage would require a bit more thought than Trump would put in. The opposition to interracial marriage really stems from a white supremacist desire to maintain the purity of the race. Trump doesn’t have a broad philosophical racism, he just thinks black people are inferior. If he met a white man married to a black women he wouldn’t see it as immoral, he would just think that the man was a sucker who made a bad deal. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/432 "2022-05-04T23:44:07Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > And I think this is a big part of the problem with the GOP. There is no limit to where they will whore for votes. Exhibit A: JD Vance. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/433 "2022-05-04T23:47:35Z")
I think that we need to start reconsidering the religion dogma that has arisen recently in constitutional jurisprudence. Say, a progressive preacher counsels women who are informed by God that they should terminate their pregnancy. After religious conference, this is determined to be a sincere belief - god is telling these women to end their pregnancy; it was a test of their faith when they became pregnant at a time when they were not ready. At that point, isn’t it an exercise of religious freedom to get a doctor to terminate their pregnancy? I’m hearing that it can be done via pills (sent through the mail) these days. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/434 "2022-05-05T00:26:52Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I mean people with lots of money will have ways to get illegal abortions, yes. What you’re suggesting is that red states that have already drafted laws to criminalize abortion, would allow “private hospitals” or “rich people” hospitals to offer them. There is simply no evidence to support that claim based on the laws that have been proposed and passed to this point. To openly allow abortions? Certainly not. To look away from “D&C” procedures done on rich white women by private doctors? Maybe. I think I already told this story, but my mother got pregnant with her fourth child when abortion was illegal. Her gynecologist told her she was pregnant, and immediately followed with “but don’t worry, we can take care of that.”. She was so shocked that she switched to a pro-life obstetrician, but I’m thinking that abortions-under-another-name weren’t all that rare pre-Roe, at least for the well-heeled. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/435 "2022-05-05T01:46:39Z")
Basing your judicial opinions on the beliefs of a white 17th-century judge who wasn’t even a citizen of this country, and likely would have detested it had he known of its existence (he died in 1676), is peak Critical Race Theory in action. * * * The Right: “The Left is SOOOOOOO Elitist!” … also… The Right: “According to page 364 of 17th-century justice Matthew Hale’s (a person I learned about in Yale Law) masterful treatise on English Common Law, the poorz can’t have abortions in 22nd-century America.” 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/436 "2022-05-05T02:08:09Z")
I was in the Balkans and Iraq when their civil wars started. In both places, people said that there was no real difference in the people and that trying to turn people against each other wouldn’t work. The first thing the instigators did was target the mixed neighborhoods and the mixed marriages. They want to force people to choose. One of my Iraqi colleagues was Shia married to a Sunni; they abducted him, tortured him to death with a power drill and dumped his body in front of his house. His wife had to flee to her parents home in a Sunni neighborhood, she had to choose to be with her own people, or die. Same thing in the Balkans, same thing coming here. Make no mistake, the GOP are fascists and they are overtly hostile to a multi-cultural society and openly racist. They are coming for the gays next, because they are an easier target, but they won’t stop there because they need an enemy to justify their behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/437 "2022-05-05T02:18:09Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > [Here’s a good article](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/roe-v-wade-overturn-abortion-rights/629366/) in _The Atlantic_ that goes into all this. Sorry that it’s paywalled. There’s a way around that but I’m under the impression that offering advice on how to hack paywalls is an offense of SDMB rules. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/438 "2022-05-05T04:15:05Z")
I mean @Crane if I understand correctly is positing some scenario where a red state “makes a ton of money” by advertising the only “legal” red state abortion hospital in Redlandia. No, I do not think that will happen, and isn’t quite analogous to the very commonly ignored abortion clinics that did operate prior to Roe as long as they kept sufficiently quiet about it. Also like all the State government elected officials involved in such a scheme would immediately be targeted for activism by the red base, the pro-life movement and all of its political power within the GOP would come down on them like a ton of bricks for literally “selling” access to abortion for profit, right after the pro-life movement had won its great moral crusade. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/439 "2022-05-05T04:21:42Z")
I’d be happy to do a thorough yet concise summary, but I get the impression no one cares. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/440 "2022-05-05T04:50:13Z")
Oh, then i think he’s wrong. I don’t believe there will be any advertised abortion clinics operation in states where that’s illegal. And i think that California and New York will keep the available fees to no more than airfare + the fee in those states. I do think there will be some quiet D&C’s for “diagnostic” purposes, or due to “menstrual irregularities”, but they will be done in places that mostly do other stuff and they will absolutely not be advertised. At least, that’s my best guess. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/441 "2022-05-05T05:15:16Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I’m sure she will wring her hands, gnash her teeth, and be very disappointed. > > And then get back in line. The line to suck Satan’s Cock? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/442 "2022-05-05T06:38:37Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I for one can’t wait to see what this SCOTUS has in store for the separation of church and state. Aren’t they working on that too right now? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/443 "2022-05-05T12:06:08Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Oh, then i think he’s wrong. That wouldn’t be a first. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=23)