# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/464 "2022-05-05T17:10:39Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > If you mean that women should have a right to autonomy over their own bodies, that seems a self-evident right that doesn’t require philosophical justification. I will note that many of the fanatical wingnuts that want to deprive women of reproductive rights by force of law are the same ones who oppose COVID vaccinations on the grounds of bodily autonomy. These people are not just irredeemable morons, but shameless hypocrites. Well said - that is the point. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/465 "2022-05-05T17:19:59Z")
When we watched **Handmaid’s Tale** a few years back - during Trump’s admin - I found it horrifying, because many aspects impressed me as NOT INCREDIBLY strained extensions of what some on the right were urging. And I was appalled at the idiots who thought Trump would “shake things up” or be entertaining - without realizing the impact of appointments to the Supremes. I don’t want to be all Chicken Little, but this is a VERY BAD trend, and I fear for my children and grandchildren. And my sonIt is hard to see the prospect of things getting significantly better over the course of either of the next 2 election cycles. It is very hard to imagine what I can do in the deep blue state of IL other than wring my hands. I hope the sane people in red and purple states mobilize. It is hard to imagine why there is so much apathy. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/466 "2022-05-05T18:50:19Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > All markets get served. I don’t know about _all_, but sure, markets tend to be served. But if Reno was large enough to serve the market for divorce in the rest of the country, why do you think California isn’t large enough to serve the market for abortion in states that outlaw it? If will, after all, only be the fraction of the market that is mobile and affluent enough to travel _somewhere_. Why somewhere other than CA, which is already gearing up to serve this market. (As is NY, and, i think, several other states.) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/467 "2022-05-05T18:52:51Z")
Thank you for that excellent post. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/468 "2022-05-05T18:54:18Z")
I think it’s bizarre that Texas, where you can shoot to kill a random kid who comes to your door trick-or-treating, because your house is your castle, doesn’t respect the integrity of a woman’s body. Or, maybe it’s not bizarre, maybe it just demonstrates that men’s rights are the only rights that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/469 "2022-05-05T19:10:52Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Or, maybe it’s not bizarre, maybe it just demonstrates that men’s rights are the only rights that matter. You left out “white”. White men’s rights are the only rights that matter. The right to abortion would absolutely be considered a fundamental right protected by the constitution if it were happening to a white man’s body. The problem is that the right only sees it as a right to kill babies, rather than the right to bodily integrity and medical decision-making that would have been fundamental to almost every founder and most every jurist since then. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/470 "2022-05-05T19:16:21Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > California isn’t large enough to serve the market for abortion It isn’t in the southeast and air fares aren’t what they once were. But this leak has placed the situation in flux, Congress is rustling the chairs and may even get around to doing something. There is a remote possibility of a rational solution emerging. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/471 "2022-05-05T19:32:33Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > may even get around to doing something That is to laugh. Even if everyone who caucuses with the Democrats agreed to “do something” there’s still the filibuster. And even if the filibuster gets dropped, then there’s the likelyhood that SCOTUS will shoot down any such law. Even then, even if a law is passed protecting reproductive rights in the entire nation, and SCOTUS upholds it, the next Republican led government will reverse it. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/472 "2022-05-05T19:35:28Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Often, they do not understand the underpinnings of their own nation and so they recklessly disrupt social norms. Boy, is that sounding familiar, the MAGAts taking the word “patriot” and twisting it beyond all recognition. > [@madmonk28](#): > > There often is a swath in the middle who are dismissive of the threat and insist that it is not as bad as people say. I won’t say I was dismissive, viewing the whole ‘stop the steal’ campaign from November through December with a rising sense of unease, but I would have thought the events of 1/6 and being nigh impossible, never mind being aided and abetted by members of the very same legislature being disrupted, until they happened. To get back to the OP topic, there were warnings from gay guys to the heteros that, “They’ll come after you, too,” years ago. Looks like they were right. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/473 "2022-05-05T19:40:48Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Or, maybe it’s not bizarre, maybe it just demonstrates that men’s rights are the only rights that matter. #notallmen. As in, only some men have rights that matter in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/474 "2022-05-05T19:56:08Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Even then, even if a law is passed protecting reproductive rights in the entire nation, and SCOTUS upholds it, the next Republican led government will reverse it. The great experiment has failed. All is lost. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/475 "2022-05-05T20:01:52Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > The great experiment has failed. All is lost.   Get a grip. Every generation has challenges. There can be no progress without effort. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/476 "2022-05-05T20:05:09Z")
[quote=“Ann\_Hedonia, post:449, topic:963862”] In reading this conversation on Roe v. Wade, I’m under the impression that some of you are thinking, “the rollback of this right is a horrible thing, but not one that affects _me_ . I want to tell you that it does. [/quote]‘’ It does indeed, even for people living in dark Blue states. > **[With Roe likely to fall, Senate Republicans weigh nationwide abortion...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/roe-likely-fall-senate-republicans-weigh-nationwide-abortion-restricti-rcna27491)** > > GOP senators are divided, with some forecasting a future push to outlaw abortion, others saying it's a state issue and still others predicting any such effort would fail. _WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans have fought for decades to end Roe v. Wade. Now, with [victory in sight](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/draft-supreme-court-opinion-indicates-roe-v-wade-will-overturned-polit-rcna27026), they are discussing whether to pursue nationwide [restrictions on abortion](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/democrats-are-pushing-codify-roe-leaked-opinion-dont-votes-rcna27082) if they gain power…Asked if Congress should restrict legal abortion across the country, Ernst responded: “We’re debating now. We’re going to continue to debate that. I think that’s important that we do that, to debate it.”_ So this bullshit that it is gonna be “up to the states” is quite simply= lies. We need to get the voters out this election. It is just possible, with the number of "maybe’ Senate seats, for the Dems to pick up a couple seats. Then Manchin can do whatever he wants. The Dems can nuke the Filibuster, and pass nationwide voter laws, protect abortion, and get in some new Justices, when some of the older ones die or retire. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/477 "2022-05-05T20:06:20Z")
Not according to K9b… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/478 "2022-05-05T20:43:09Z")
I’ll thank you to keep your words out of my mouth in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/479 "2022-05-05T20:47:44Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Well it is more states than than which will probably prohibit abortion. Yeah, Florida just banned abortion after 15 weeks. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/480 "2022-05-05T20:56:43Z")
Have you ever noticed that any time there is a gun control discussion, conservatives insist that you if can’t talk with absolute accuracy about guns, then you aren’t qualified to discuss gun control, yet they repeatedly demonstrate ignorance about women’s bodies, yet they feel qualified to regulate them. > **[GOP Lawmakers Think They Don’t Have to Understand Women’s Bodies to Police Them](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/alabama-abortion-law-republican-ignorance-female-reproduction.html)** > > Supporters of Alabama’s extreme abortion law weren’t just confused over what exactly it does—they were proud of their ignorance. > **[AOC on Texas governor’s ‘disgusting’ abortion remarks: ‘He is not familiar...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/08/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-greg-abbott-texas-abortion-ban)** > > Congresswoman explains basics of menstruation and pregnancy to Greg Abbott after he claimed six weeks was ample time to get an abortion > **[These anti-abortion lawmakers have no idea how pregnancy works](https://archive.thinkprogress.org/republican-lawmakers-dumb-statements-abortion-not-based-on-science-georgia-alabama-ohio-e298f362f7cb/)** > > “Senator, I don’t know if I’m smart enough to be pregnant, so I appreciate the wisdom of our heavenly father." ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/481 "2022-05-05T21:03:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Have you ever noticed that any time there is a gun control discussion, conservatives insist that you if can’t talk with absolute accuracy about guns, then you aren’t qualified to discuss gun control, yet they repeatedly demonstrate ignorance about women’s bodies, yet they feel qualified to regulate them. Yes, and I admit I have gotten annoyed when someone has no idea of what they are talking about re guns. But I am by no means conservative. The Ignorance is strong on the GOP side… not only woman’s bodies, but climate change, fossil fuels, and yes… often even guns. They revel their ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/482 "2022-05-05T21:10:06Z")
nm. thought better of it. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/483 "2022-05-05T21:13:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s no ninth amendment in your Constitution? > > The people who wrote the Constitution did not intend for the list of rights they enumerated to be seen as a complete list. They explicitly acknowledged that people have other constitutional rights that aren’t stated in the text. See also, > [@Does the Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution itself protect individuals from State infringement of unenumerated rights?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-ninth-amendment-to-the-united-states-constitution-itself-protect-individuals-from-state-infringement-of-unenumerated-rights/922125): > > Does the Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution itself protect individuals from State infringement of unenumerated rights? I don’t think it does. The Tenth Amendment ensures that the federal government is limited to enumerated powers. I do not think the Ninth Amendment grants the federal government any power to protect unenumerated rights, therefore I do not think the Ninth Amendment itself protects individuals from State infringement of unenumerated rights. Current jurisprudence su… ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=25)