# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/504 "2022-05-06T13:20:22Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > over half the abortions currently are medication abortions. Not in the US. [![](https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/462-549.png) ](https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/462-549.png) And it’s not just late abortions that are surgical, because there are more early abortions than medication abortions. [![](https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/462-547.png) ](https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/462-547.png) Of course, medication abortions are an option for early-term pregnancies these days. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/505 "2022-05-06T13:26:01Z")
I have the impression many state’s abortion laws include the terminate pill? I’m very surprised the Supreme Court is making such a political decision. The country is already in a fragile position. The Supreme Court is pouring gas on the fire. Do they even care what comes next? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/506 "2022-05-06T13:39:41Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > That article is pretty nuts > > I only referred to the excerpts quoted, not the article. That’s what I mean, Alito’s quotes paint him as a dangerous unhinged nutjob. I can’t believe this is who we have deciding what the law of the land in our nation is. Republicans weren’t kidding about implementing Sharia Law… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/507 "2022-05-06T13:46:35Z")
If you want to know _just how_ grotesque Alito’s citations of Hale really are, check out this twitter thread. Long, but extremely illuminating. [https://twitter.com/literature\_lady/status/1522202362366078979](https://twitter.com/literature_lady/status/1522202362366078979) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/508 "2022-05-06T14:23:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m very surprised the Supreme Court is making such a political decision. I’m no expert, but they’ve been making political decisions for years. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/509 "2022-05-06T14:32:12Z")
> **[Medication Abortion Now Accounts for More Than Half of All US Abortions](https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2022/02/medication-abortion-now-accounts-more-half-all-us-abortions)** > > Updated on March 2, 2022: This analysis has been updated to correct the date when the FDA allowed abortion pills to be mailed to patients for the duration of the pandemic. First published on February 24, 2022: ETA: This is from the exact same source as the data cited above, which was apparently from 2016. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/510 "2022-05-06T14:32:52Z")
Like! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/511 "2022-05-06T14:34:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The country is already in a fragile position. The Supreme Court is pouring gas on the fire. Do they even care what comes next? It’s worse than you think. The leaked decision has Alito saying he has a problem with any unenumerated right. That puts more than Roe in his crosshairs: - The right to interracial marriage (Loving v. Virginia), - The right to obtain contraceptives (Griswold v. Connecticut) - The right to engage in private, consensual sexual acts (Lawrence v. Texas) - The right to same-sex marriage (Obergefell v. Hodges). We’d be fools to think they really are only after Roe. > Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it — so-called unenumerated rights — must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights. [SOURCE](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473) IIRC Ex Post Facto laws only apply to criminal laws. So, they could wipe out all the above. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/512 "2022-05-06T14:37:11Z")
It’s hard to imagine a more decisive political topic. I remember the Roe v Wade decision. There was mild protest but it took several years for the right to life movement to gain support. Reversing it today is basically lobbing a grenade into American politics. It’s going to be fought in 50 state legislators. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/513 "2022-05-06T14:39:11Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > A decision today is basically lobbing a grenade into American politics. Conservatives tried to overthrow the government on January 6, 2021. Do you think they gave up? I do not think it is hyperbole to say the US is facing a crisis. One that can very much change the fundamentals of the country. Here is what is already happening: > **[Louisiana Moves to Charge Women Who Get Abortions With Murder](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/louisiana-bill-abortion-homicide-1347890/)** > > The Louisiana legislature advanced a bill that would charge women who get an abortion, "from the moment of fertilization," with murder. > **[Greg Abbott Reveals the GOP's Plan After Killing Roe v. Wade: Killing Public...](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greg-abbott-plyler-doe-public-education-1348208/)** > > Texas Governor Greg Abbott wants to overturn Plyler v. Doe, a court decision requiring states to provide free schooling to all children. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/514 "2022-05-06T14:39:22Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > She was so shocked that she switched to a pro-life obstetrician, but I’m thinking that abortions-under-another-name weren’t all that rare pre-Roe, at least for the well-heeled. No need for under another name - well-heeled women simply went to a state where they were legal. I think I’ve related this story but I’ll tell it again - I know a woman who lived in Michigan pre-_Roe_ and found herself pregnant when she didn’t want another child. She took a bus trip to New York to get an abortion. She wasn’t even rich, “just” working class/middle class. It wasn’t talked about much, but it certainly did happen with some frequency. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/515 "2022-05-06T15:10:49Z")
> **[Louisiana bill would allow murder charges for abortions; opponents call it...](https://www.wwno.org/2022-05-05/louisiana-bill-would-allow-murder-charges-for-abortions-opponents-call-it-barbaric)** > > As the United States braces for the possible overturning of Roe v. Wade and an end to the constitutional protection of abortion rights, Louisiana lawmakers are advancing legislation that would bolster their ability to criminally punish doctors and... Louisiana wants to charge women with murder for using an IUD and emergency contraception. It is unreal. There is no low for the Republican party. But I will best _anything_ you will NEVER see a law that punishes a man for using any kind of birth control. I honestly cannot understand how anybody could vote for a political party so vile and evil anymore? What can they possibly be offering that would allow someone to support this, unless they actually support this? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/516 "2022-05-06T15:19:13Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I will best _anything_ you will NEVER see a law that punishes a man for using any kind of birth control. I want to see the day when they charge a man with 1,000,000 counts of murder for masturbating ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/517 "2022-05-06T15:28:44Z")
I’m not sure I will phrase this question correctly, and if I give off the wrong vibe I’ll ask forgiveness in advance: Something I think about is this: Is there any other case where US law forces a person (especially if it were a man) to do a certain thing with his body? I’m struggling to come up with something that illustrates what I’m asking, but something like having a tumor removed (or NOT having a tumor removed), or forcing a man to impregnate his wife- anything that would be even remotely analogous to forcing a woman to give birth? And, while this part probably isn’t answerable unless it went before the court, if a state passed a law (say) that a man (or a woman) MUST do something specific with his body (donate a kidney?) would that necessarily be unconstitutional? I know the question as written is ham-fisted, but I hope you get what I’m trying to ask. Surely if there’s nothing else even remotely similar to forcing a woman to have a baby that’s got to count for something? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/518 "2022-05-06T15:43:29Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Something I think about is this: Is there any other case where US law forces a person (especially if it were a man) to do a certain thing with his body? The draft. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/519 "2022-05-06T15:46:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It’s worse than you think. The leaked decision has Alito saying he has a problem with any unenumerated right. Way back when, Patrick Henry, the _Give me liberty or give me death_ guy, refused to participate in the debate for the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights. He was afraid, he said, that future citizens would come to believe those were the only rights they had. Someone needs to remind Alito of that. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/520 "2022-05-06T15:53:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I want to see the day when they charge a man with 1,000,000 counts of murder for masturbating ^^^^ WARNING: Poe’s law trigger ^^^^ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/521 "2022-05-06T15:55:21Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > I want to see the day when they charge a man with 1,000,000 counts of murder for masturbating > > ^^^^ WARNING: Poe’s law trigger ^^^ Same charges for having sex, if the woman doesn’t get pregnant. If she DOES, 999,999 counts of murder still apply. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/522 "2022-05-06T15:55:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I want to see the day when they charge a man with 1,000,000 counts of murder for masturbating There are people who really would like to see that. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/523 "2022-05-06T16:22:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It’s worse than you think. The leaked decision has Alito saying he has a problem with any unenumerated right. That puts more than Roe in his crosshairs: > > - The right to interracial marriage (Loving v. Virginia), > - The right to obtain contraceptives (Griswold v. Connecticut) > - The right to engage in private, consensual sexual acts (Lawrence v. Texas) > - The right to same-sex marriage (Obergefell v. Hodges). > > We’d be fools to think they really are only after Roe. ^THIS needs to be stressed! I assume Alito - and the majority - feel the same about - say - the personhood of corporations? 🙄 “Strict construction” is such bullshit! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=27)