# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/704 "2022-05-11T18:07:08Z")
I’m sure she hopes so, but is there any actual facts behind her opinion? Like, I don’t know, as that’s behind a paywall, and you didn’t quote anything relevant, just plopped it down. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/705 "2022-05-11T18:08:48Z")
This ties into my point from hundreds of posts ago–if this issue is important for Democrats it needs to be something they campaign hard on. Issues don’t have political power “by default”, the pro-life issue didn’t have power “by default” a very sustained, very powerful political movement gave it power. If abortion rights are important for Democrats, they have to act accordingly. On the flipside, my opinion as someone who lacks the commitment to abortion rights of many on the left, is that if the Dems show through actions or inactions that abortion rights **aren’t** that important to them–start running more pro-life candidates again, there is literally no reason to run pro-choice candidates in districts where pro-life Democrats have been viable in the past if the party doesn’t actually care about the issue. Edit: I do think we are supposed to avoid drifting into abortion politics in a more general sense–this thread is supposed to be about the Alito decision. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/706 "2022-05-11T19:07:22Z")
Yes, and so? > [@Cervaise](#): > > The Court says protesting at people’s houses is fair game. Have at them. No, they say it is _legal._ Legal does not mean moral or ethical. Do we not consider ourselves more ethical than the Westboro Baptist Church? Clearly the Supreme Court has a _legal_ right to overthrow Roe. But it is not moral or ethical. So, not everything that is legal is _right._ Of course what the antiabortionists seem to forget is that if the Government has the right to ban abortion, it then also has the right to force abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/707 "2022-05-11T19:09:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, they say it is _legal._ Tell that to the right-wing douchenozzles screaming that the protests are illegal harassment and intimidation and need to be dispersed. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/708 "2022-05-11T19:10:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, and so? Rules for thee but not for me seems a conservative mantra. Their chickens have come home to roost. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/709 "2022-05-11T19:16:36Z")
From a moral perspective I think it’s fine to hold a protest in front of someone’s house as long as you don’t trespass, but I think if it’s a residential neighborhood with lots of unrelated people living there and you stay there all night and make it so people who literally have 0 to do with Samuel Alito unable to sleep and then have to work the next day on zero rest that it’s a dick move. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/710 "2022-05-11T19:17:39Z")
I’m curious about the repercussions of the sperm donor being potentially held responsible for child support for 18 yrs, and that (given modern DNA testing) a mother who gives a child up for adoption has a limited expectation of privacy from the adopted child. Makes the idea of sex a HECKUVA lot riskier. I’m guessing the conservative right will say, “Serves you right. Shoulda just said NO!” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/711 "2022-05-11T19:20:00Z")
Who said anything about _“rules”?_ I am talking _moral a_nd _ethical_ responsibility. Or are we no better than the Westboro Baptist Church? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/712 "2022-05-11T19:23:13Z")
Protesting outside of someone’s house over a political action they took in their privileged political job they hold because you disagree with it, is not remotely on par ethically with protesting at a dead soldier’s funeral because you believe that the soldier was a “fag” based on your crazy ideology that most people outside of your religion with 25 people in it are gays. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/713 "2022-05-11T19:30:40Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’m guessing the conservative right will say, “Serves you right. Shoulda just said NO!” In my experience, at least online, the common conservative response is “Learn to keep your legs closed”. They get very focused on the female participant in sex, but not so much the male. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/714 "2022-05-11T19:32:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I am talking _moral a_ nd _ethical_ responsibility. You can be _moral_ and _ethical_ in that gulag the Republicans are preparing. Me, I’m all for bringing a flamethrower to this here knife fight. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/715 "2022-05-11T19:37:52Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > …They get very focused on the female participant in sex, but not so much the male. My impression as well. But required child support is a very real possibility. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/716 "2022-05-11T19:38:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Do we not consider ourselves more ethical than the Westboro Baptist Church? Eh, I have a friend on the local school board, and she gets people camped out in front of her house on a regular basis over CRT nonsense. I really don’t feel sorry for SCOTUS justices that want to take away rights from the people. They, of _all_ people, should appreciate people just exercising their constitutional rights. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/717 "2022-05-11T19:41:50Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > > [@Dinsdale](#): > > > > I’m guessing the conservative right will say, “Serves you right. Shoulda just said NO!” > > In my experience, at least online, the common conservative response is “Learn to keep your legs closed”. They get very focused on the female participant in sex, but not so much the male. Pro-lifer: You don’t need to worry about whether abortion is legal if you simply don’t have sex. Me: OK then, so you support keeping abortion legal in the case of rape. Pro-lifer: Derp derp derp. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/718 "2022-05-11T19:53:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I am talking _moral_ and _ethical_ responsibility. > > Or are we no better than the Westboro Baptist Church? Come on, that’s a pretty glaring false dichotomy. There is a lot of middle ground, morally and ethically speaking, between (a) refusing to protest peacefully outside the private residences of political figures on the grounds that it’s too intrusive, and (b) behaving like the Westboro Baptist Church. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/719 "2022-05-11T20:03:30Z")
Homes have neighbors. The neighbors do not deserve to be harassed. And, really there isn’t. Either we have the moral high ground or we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/720 "2022-05-11T20:08:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Homes have neighbors. The neighbors do not deserve to be harassed. All peaceful protests unavoidably inconvenience neighbors and bystanders who don’t deserve to be inconvenienced. That’s not a sufficient criterion for declaring particular legal protest locations to be ethically off-limits. > [@DrDeth](#): > > And, really there isn’t. Either we have the moral high ground or we don’t. Nonsense. Peaceful protestors, even outside SCOTUS justices’ houses, have a hell of a long way to go before they’re ceding any moral high ground to the likes of the Westboro Baptist Church. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/721 "2022-05-11T20:16:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Me, I’m all for bringing a flamethrower to this here knife fight. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/722 "2022-05-11T20:31:02Z")
To be fair, they have an answer to that now. > [@Akaj](#): > > Me: OK then, so you support keeping abortion legal in the case of rape. > > Pro-lifer: You have been given an _opportunity_! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2022, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/723 "2022-05-11T20:31:12Z")
Federal law prohibits protests outside the home of justices, judges, jurors, etc. [18 U.S.C. § 1507 - U.S. Code Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure § 1507 | FindLaw](https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-18-crimes-and-criminal-procedure/18-usc-sect-1507.html) “Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=37)