# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/825 "2022-06-01T00:17:20Z")
I’ll bet the clerks’ lunchroom is pretty tense these days. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/826 "2022-06-01T00:20:46Z")
All this suspicion around the clerks, but for all we know it could’ve been Jay and Silent Bob. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/827 "2022-06-01T00:27:58Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s a condition of employment that clerks keep matters confidential. Should their employer not be able to investigate a breach of confidentiality?. Sure, they can investigate. That’s a separate matter from being forced to hand over their phones. Maybe they can and maybe they can’t, but it doesn’t _necessarily_ follow from the unquestionable right the Court has to “investigate.” ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/828 "2022-06-01T00:56:32Z")
This may have already been posited, but I’m not going to wade through 800+ posts to find out. Has anyone actually confirmed that this is the decision and not just a case where both sides, or even every judge, has drawn up a draft opinion supporting their decision and this was the one that got leaked? I do know that it has been confirmed that this is a real draft, but does it reflect the actual decision? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/829 "2022-06-01T01:00:02Z")
I think the short answer is that we don’t know, and won’t know until the decision is released. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/830 "2022-06-01T01:02:26Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Sure, they can investigate. That’s a separate matter from being forced to hand over their phones. Maybe they can and maybe they can’t, but it doesn’t _necessarily_ follow from the unquestionable right the Court has to “investigate.” And that’s why they’re lawyering up. Who’d a thunk it? Get the most prestige law job in the US, and your time at the Court ends up hiring a lawyer to defend your interests from the Court and your judge. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/831 "2022-06-01T04:18:04Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Has anyone actually confirmed that this is the decision and not just a case where both sides, or even every judge, has drawn up a draft opinion supporting their decision and this was the one that got leaked? > > I do know that it has been confirmed that this is a real draft, but does it reflect the actual decision? From the Politico article in the OP, it really is a draft for the _majority_: > A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices — Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett — had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week. It is possible the draft will be revised, but I would think it is most probable that Mississippi will win the case. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/832 "2022-06-01T04:32:15Z")
I think the question to ask is how often the justices change their opinion after the original draft. And then speculate from there. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/833 "2022-06-01T15:22:02Z")
This article makes a radical suggestion for how to save Wade: If the dissenting justices all recused themselves and denied the Court a quorum. > **[The One Thing the Dissenting Justices Could Do to Save Roe](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-one-thing-the-dissenting-justices-could-do-to-save-roe/ar-AAXY1ZH?bk=1&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9c106befaa864e96944ec57c92426ef3)** > > Stop writing. Take evasive action. Recuse yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/834 "2022-06-01T15:26:44Z")
If they deny a quorum, the majority of justices might put the issuance of a decision on hold. But what if they … didn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/835 "2022-06-01T15:26:56Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > If the dissenting justices all recused themselves and denied the Court a quorum. I dread the upcoming decision as much as anyone, but I think this is a terrible idea. The Court would start using this like the Senate uses a filibuster. They would need six votes to get any decision done on any issue. That might be fun given the current make up of the Court, but not good for the institution ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/836 "2022-06-01T15:30:27Z")
But wouldn’t that simply leave the law in place? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/837 "2022-06-01T15:32:08Z")
It leaves the Court of Appeals decision in place. I don’t recall which way that went. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/838 "2022-06-01T16:47:40Z")
Yeah, this is so plainly a bad idea in my eyes that it reeks of desperation on the writer’s part. I mean, I suppose it might be a Hail Mary if you’re _sure_ it’ll get your desired results, but is anyone _sure_? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/839 "2022-06-01T16:58:49Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > That might be fun given the current make up of the Court, but not good for the institution Yeah… like Roberts the institutionalist would ever recuse himself to deny the Court a quorum. You can disagree with the man on his approach to preserving the Court’s respectability, but I think this is something he would never do. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/840 "2022-06-01T17:51:43Z")
SCOTUS as a non-political institution is already kaput. “Radical” options like this could help speed the way to real reform. But I seriously doubt Roberts would ever cooperate. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/841 "2022-06-01T21:57:09Z")
Apparently, details of the leak investigation are now leaking. . . > **[Exclusive: Supreme Court leak investigation heats up as clerks are asked for...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/politics/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-leak-phone-records/)** > > Supreme Court officials are escalating their search for the source of the leaked draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade, taking steps to require law clerks to provide cell phone records and sign affidavits, three sources with knowledge of the... ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/842 "2022-06-01T21:59:39Z")
**Whack-A-Mole** beat you to the cite in [post #817](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/draft-opinion-by-alito-supreme-court-has-voted-to-overturn-roe-v-wade/963862/817). 😉 ~Max ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/843 "2022-06-01T22:05:33Z")
Dang it! 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/844 "2022-06-02T01:19:56Z")
Maybe, but I don’t see how it’ll do a single thing for Roe, which is what the author is most concerned about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=43)