# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1061 "2022-06-24T21:26:44Z")
I’ll also note that the solution to Fundamentalists thinking that the Earth is 10,000 years old and that tiny humans are magicked into their bellies through penis magic isn’t to make a law that goes against their beliefs. It’s to improve education and figure out ways to convince smarter people to move into those territories so that there’s more exposure to foreign ideas. If you want nationwide abortion acceptance, you need to solve brain drain not pass laws. Create a program that sends kids to live abroad one summer of their childhood, split the dollar into urban and rural so that the backcountry becomes a competitive manufacturing location for corporations, etc. Strategy isn’t everything but the world has gone all in on tactical immediacy and forgotten that you can and do still need to play the long game on things. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1062 "2022-06-24T21:36:30Z")
Helps them be percieved as friendly to women. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1063 "2022-06-24T21:37:57Z")
Every little bit helps, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1064 "2022-06-24T21:38:18Z")
Right. My guess is that companies like JP Morgan Chase think that such policies make them attractive to prospective employees. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1065 "2022-06-24T21:44:17Z")
They probably also don’t want to have to finance moving their employees out of Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1066 "2022-06-24T21:50:05Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Because tens of millions of women aren’t perpetually sitting around waiting to get abortions This is true, but there are plenty of parents of young women (or even prospective parents of young women) that want there to be an option for their child should they be raped or have a medical emergency during pregnancy. More than a handful of states (Missouri, as the first example) will immediately or in the next few weeks will have complete bans other than “severe medical emergency” or some such language. The GOP is going to have to adjust their rhetoric, because the “no abortions ever, even for cases of rape and incest” is not a popular position, even in red states. And while this has all been purely rhetorical while Roe was in place, it is now very much live policy. Will it be enough to motivate suburban parents and non-evangelical low-propensity voters? We shall see soon enough. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1067 "2022-06-24T21:58:28Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I quoted Justice Thomas’s written opinion that he thinks arrest for sodomy is an unworthy “way to expend valuable law enforcement resources”. Yes, but he doesn’t say it is unconstitutional to expend those resources, so any jurisdiction that wants to can (if/when Obergefell/Lawrence are overturned). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1068 "2022-06-24T22:08:51Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > any jurisdiction that wants to can (if/when Obergefell/Lawrence are overturned). They don’t get overturned until someone makes a law that violates their precedent and that works its way up to SCOTUS. So, expect such laws to start cropping up in red states, so that they can get tested. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1069 "2022-06-24T22:21:38Z")
I wish. The perfect solution. Im remembering Paul Krassner, who used to refer women to a safe dr. Sorry hes gone, but Im glad hes not here to see this. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1070 "2022-06-24T22:27:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, expect such laws to start cropping up in red states, so that they can get tested. No need to wait. Many such laws are still on the books. If the supreme court overturns those decisions those laws will immediately be in full effect. > **[Texas clings to unconstitutional, homophobic laws – and it's not alone](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/01/texas-homophobic-laws-lgbt-unconstitutional)** > > The legislature has again spurned an opportunity to end its ban on ‘homosexual conduct’ and 15 other states retain similar laws ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1071 "2022-06-24T22:30:02Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Many such laws are still on the books. If the supreme court overturns those decisions those laws will immediately be in full effect. Like I said, SCOTUS can’t just overturn a precedent, it has to uphold a law that violates it. So, maybe they don’t need to actually write new laws, just enforce the ones that have been considered unconstitutional under previous SCOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1072 "2022-06-24T22:30:21Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > It would be possible, but since Florida would make such a thing specifically illegal, that would not occur. I think the opposite scenario is both more likely and somewhat plausible: offer abortion clinics within the airport terminal for out-of-state travelers. Any traveler that has to leave the terminal has added several hours to their trip. Why force them to arrange transportation or go through security again? And on that note, the terminal already has a reasonable level of security, which gives them isolation from protesters and worse. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1073 "2022-06-24T22:33:52Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > I think the opposite scenario is both more likely and somewhat plausible: offer abortion clinics within the airport terminal for out-of-state travelers. Even better, offer the services right there on the plane. Take off, fly across state lines, take care of what needs taken care of, then land back at the original airport. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1074 "2022-06-24T22:35:52Z")
Is there going to be a little light above the seats that turns on with a ding when the plane crosses into a pro-choice state? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1075 "2022-06-24T22:36:33Z")
Though this bears an uncomfortable resemblance to the SNL circumcision-in-a-car. ---
**Author:** ![MethidManTMA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MethidManTMA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MethidManTMA)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1076 "2022-06-24T22:50:00Z")
Companies and economists from across the board are coming out to condemn the move, and it makes sense why. For starters, corps are loathed to deal with conflicting laws across states. It makes their lives harder. Makes their insurance packages and incentives look less appealing in restrictive states, gives their HR headaches, and can become a policy nightmare depending on what the laws end up being. They’re also in a PR bind, and you’ve got some major brands out their moving to support their female workers (with a few in particular even saying they’ll fund travel for women who want abortions in other states). The socioeconomic impact is also pretty well documented. Female spending power and job mobility tend to drop in areas where reproductive care options are more restricted, hitting poorer areas particularly hard. In fact, a non-partisan group of major economic leaders filed a friend of the court brief in support of Roe earlier in the year. Make no mistake, the companies are not taking a moral stand, they don’t actually care. But when a decision looks like it will affect their bottom line and hiring power, then you know they’re going to go ham. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1077 "2022-06-24T22:50:40Z")
Kevin McCarthy has said that President Biden must direct the Department of Justice to ensure the safety of the Court, churches, and “pro-life” pregnancy centers. I say that we leave it up to the states. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1078 "2022-06-24T22:56:30Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > So they need control of the electoral process before they can go full theocracy. > > They are working on that. Yes, I know. That’s part of the reason why it’s important to vote in all the races. (As I expect you know.) > [@Velocity](#): > > Secondly, the Republicans have a LOT more arrows in their quiver than merely being anti-abortion. Yeah, but it’s the only one with that killing-babies hook. That gets some people who disagree with them on, or don’t much care about, the others. > [@Velocity](#): > > To say Republicans only care about abortion as a single issue and nothing else That’s not what I meant. What I meant was, that they use it to try to pull in people who disagree with them on almost everything else; and on some of them it works. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > There isn’t much of a base or political movement that is vehemently pro-choice to a degree that it drives significant votes. That definitely isn’t the impression I get; not from what I see in the news, not from what I see in letters to the paper, not from what I hear in private conversations. My impression’s anecdote not data, of course. Have you data for yours? > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Still gonna need a veto proof majority to get it through. For another two years. And if Republicans take too many of the State offices affecting elections, on state and/or local levels, in 2022: don’t assume that anybody else’s votes will count in 2024. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > And you should really consider that if rural states are _so_ gung-ho about trying to prevent baby murder that they’ll back an idiot and reprobate like Donald Trump and whatever all other scumbags to such an extreme level as to forgive all the BS that they’ve already accepted, then whether it’s _really worth_ trying to force them to allow baby murder in their states? It’s their territory and they’re the ones who have to live with the consequences of their choices. You’re not their keeper or their mother. We don’t force Christian Scientists to go to the doctor, we don’t force the obese to go to “fat camp”, and etc. They’re all adults and they’re voting for the laws of their states. Unfortunately, the laws in question are also binding on children too young to vote but old enough to get pregnant; as well as on everyone in those states who did vote against those laws. Laws in general of course are binding on those who voted against them as well as those who voted for, if the majority approves them – but most of them don’t require the unwilling to endure nine months of servitude at the risk of their physical health, their mental health, their current and future capacity to work, and their lives. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Because tens of millions of women aren’t perpetually sitting around waiting to get abortions. It is not an issue of immediacy for most people A very large number of people who aren’t “perpetually sitting around waiting to get abortions” nevertheless become extremely anxious if their periods are late; and have continually at the back of their minds that they might become unwillingly pregnant, any month for quite a few years. Many of us never needed or never will need an abortion – but knowing it’s a possibility if necessary is kind of like knowing that hospitals and ambulances exist. Suddenly discovering that they’ve been banned would likely be quite a shock to the system, even for those who are currently feeling fine. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1079 "2022-06-24T23:01:40Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Because tens of millions of women aren’t perpetually sitting around waiting to get abortions. I don’t think many men in general have insight into how important this right is to women during all their child-bearing years and yes, beyond. They may or may not express how important it is to them even to their deeply loved significant others. So long as a woman has a functioning uterus and wishes to have sex, the “safety net” of this right has always been so important. Birth control can fail. Sometimes we get careless through inadvertence. Sometimes we get raped. Sometimes something goes wrong with a pregnancy and we don’t have sufficient resources to take on a special needs child. Or any child, for that matter. Or we simply don’t want the responsibility. Women think about this _all the time_ during their childbearing years. It is an ever-present concern. You don’t have to be poor or low information to have this constant awareness. Now this right is gone. Many women will feel its loss keenly. They are going to remember it every time they have sex and wonder if this is the night their pill was taken just an hour too late; if the condom is going to break; if the diaphragm leaked a little. We women who are at an age where we needn’t worry about these things in an active way still worry about them for our children, friends, and the general welfare of women. This is about female autonomy and women’s rights to self-determination now being placed below that of some non-sentient tissue that lives in their uterus until it is either by their choice birthed, or by their choice, terminated. _Their choice_. Not the choice of a bunch of old Republican men and one hyper-religious woman sitting on the SCOTUS bench, deciding What’s Best for Us All. If you think women are going to forget about this in the upcoming mid-terms, think again. The statistic I keep seeing is 63% of Americans wanted _Roe_ upheld. 30% wanted it overturned. 7% weren’t sure. That’s a pretty solid majority. And for many, it is a galvanizing issue. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1080 "2022-06-24T23:04:26Z")
Washington Post: > **[Abortion is now banned or under threat in these states](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/?itid=hp-top-table-high)** > > More than a dozen states have laws that criminalize abortion when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Here’s a look at abortion laws by state. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=54)