# Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade (No longer a draft as of 06-24-2022.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** roe\_vs\_wade\_abortion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862 "2022-05-03T01:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1141 "2022-06-25T05:57:27Z")
You might be confident that the SCotUS isn’t going to gut portions of the CotUS and strip people of rights that they thought they had for generations . . . a lot of the rest of us are not. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1142 "2022-06-25T06:51:24Z")
Judges do not make laws. To change a law you don’t have to change judges first. If your opponents are, for political convenience and inpotence, relying on some judges interpreting stuff in lieu of laws. It is a viable shortcut to effectively changing a law to change the judges. However that is a strategy easily undermined by actually making a law. Carter, Clinton, Obama, Biden all couldn’t be arsed to actually DO anything about this: stop blaming the other guys that DID something. They were never shy about telling you that they would. Stop faffing about about how unfair it all is and get to work. (Or admit you can’t be arsed either way) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1143 "2022-06-25T07:07:41Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > a lot of the rest of us are not Yep. These evangelical assholes have been drooling at the prospect of imposing a theocratic tyranny on the rest of the country. After literal decades of slow, patient progress, it’s foolish to think they would mysteriously abandon their plan when their end goals are finally in sight. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1144 "2022-06-25T07:58:12Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Stop faffing about about how unfair it all is and get to work. > (Or admit you can’t be arsed either way) ??? …I don’t live in America. I’m not even American. If I did live in America, I would be getting off my arse and doing something. But I don’t: so I really don’t get your point. And I haven’t argued about how “unfair” everything is. I know that judges don’t change the laws and that in America you have the ridiculous scenario where a branch of government where people have lifetime appointments and are essentially accountable to no-one. But none of this has anything to do with anything I said. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1145 "2022-06-25T08:12:30Z")
I was referring to your comment about > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > “wait 20 years until two people have died, then _maybe_ we _might_ have a chance of _maybe_ doing something” is a plan doomed to fail. I was agreeing with you. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1146 "2022-06-25T08:14:04Z")
Only 14% of American favor a total ban on abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1147 "2022-06-25T08:14:29Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > I was agreeing with you. …oh, my bad 😀 👍 I kinda thought you were? But the way the reply button works makes it look like you were disagreeing! My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1148 "2022-06-25T08:16:28Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Only 14% of American favor a total ban on abortion Unfortunately, that 14% controls something like 40% of the Senate, because our electoral system is broken to the point that the UK’s was in 1832. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1149 "2022-06-25T08:19:41Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Only 14% of American favor a total ban on abortion. By a remarkable coincidence, according to surveys reported in **[this summary,](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/taliban-afghanistan)** approximately 14% of the Afghan population is sympathetic to the Taliban’s political agenda. Nevertheless, the Taliban controls the majority of the country and imposes its agenda without meaningful opposition. The lesson here is left to the reader to divine. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1150 "2022-06-25T08:27:05Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > This was the plain, unambiguous, uncontroversial intent of the 14th Amendment, which was specifically drafted precisely so the Federal government could functionally quash laws passed by States that would attempt to discriminate against newly freed blacks. Agreed: > In his opinion, Justice Alito speaks of text based rights, and he speaks specifically of the first eight amendments as though there aren’t other amendments, including two other amendments in the Bill of Rights Amendment, including the Ninth Amendment, which explicitly says just because we’ve enumerated something doesn’t mean that that exhausts what is available for protection here. Like there might be more. And the fact that we didn’t write it down doesn’t disparage the existence of those other rights. So that suggests that there could be implied rights and indeed there have been implied rights. Justice Alito, in this opinion, says that the 14th Amendment says nothing about abortion. It doesn’t say anything about marriage, does nothing about contraception, parental rights, none of that. My colleague at NYU, Peggy Cooper Davis, wrote a marvelous book many years back, Neglected Stories, The Constitution and Family Values, in which she provides primary source material that makes clear that the drafters of the 14th Amendment were consciously trying to repudiate the institution of slavery and also all of the vestiges of that institution, including the fact that enslaved persons lacked family integrity. Their families could be sold from them, their children could be sold from them. They weren’t allowed to marry. They had no bodily autonomy. They could be sexually compromised by an owner or mated with another slave for the purpose of reproducing the slave population. And so the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of liberty, Peggie argues, was meant to address all of those things, those liberties that were absolutely denied to individuals who were enslaved. And so when Justice Alito says the 14th Amendment was about repudiating slavery, he’s right. He just misses what repudiating slavery actually means. So I don’t buy this unenumerated rights versus text based rights fallacy. > > [SOURCE](https://slate.com/transcripts/UzdRMUNjem9VdStQaUdXaW9pcDdEYitJdm56MmIxZHZwQ1FRMDFyWW9YMD0=) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1151 "2022-06-25T08:38:57Z")
I can’t find the article now, but a recent edition of _USAToday_ had a story about how the possibility of Roe being overturned was leading to something like 40% of the electorate (and a higher percentage of younger people) seriously looking into moving into “blue” states because they were unhappy with the prospect of the government removing their right to choose. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1152 "2022-06-25T10:06:12Z")
Predictable condemnation of the ruling from US western allies … > **[US allies express dismay at 'appalling' Supreme Court decision to scrap...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/world/roe-wade-scotus-abortion-ruling-international-reaction-intl/index.html)** > > Several of the United States' Western allies responded with anger and dismay after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade on Friday, condemning the decision as "horrific," "appalling" and "a big step backwards." ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1153 "2022-06-25T10:46:57Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > a recent edition of _USAToday_ had a story about how the possibility of Roe being overturned was leading to something like 40% of the electorate (and a higher percentage of younger people) seriously looking into moving into “blue” states because they were unhappy with the prospect of the government removing their right to choose. Possible downside: making the Senate even more likely to be skewed Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1154 "2022-06-25T11:23:34Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Possible downside: making the Senate even more likely to be skewed Republican. I am willing to bet the republicans have thought of this and are super ok with it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1155 "2022-06-25T11:34:46Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Since abortion is perfectly legal in Canada, the newscaster was telling us that we might see a number of Montanan (and Idahoan) women seeking abortions in Alberta. Maybe they cannot get one in neighboring states, but Canada? Hmm … @Spoons, are you familiar with this MP? I’d never heard of him before. > **['It feels so good': Alberta MP celebrates overturning of Roe v. Wade](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmonton/2022/6/24/1_5962293.amp.html)** > > A Member of Parliament from rural Alberta went live on Facebook Friday to celebrate a United States Supreme Court vote to end constitutional protections for abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1156 "2022-06-25T11:46:52Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > The other options would be to try passing a federal abortion rights law and see how the current SCOTUS handles it, or to pack the court. Both of which require a Dem Senate, House, and POTUS - and significant majorities in both houses to deal with squishes. I find it amazing how otherwise intelligent folk (including my youngest son) seem to think we have a parliamentarian government, where Dem control of any branch (or even part of Congress) means things should immediately change massively for the better. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1157 "2022-06-25T11:49:10Z")
The sad part is, on paper, we have a dem controlled house and senate and POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1158 "2022-06-25T11:54:04Z")
Alberta is, after all, Texas with snow. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1159 "2022-06-25T11:55:26Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The sad part is, on paper, we have a dem controlled house and senate and POTUS. But you don’t have a Dem controlled Senate. You need 60 to control the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862/1160 "2022-06-25T11:57:01Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But you don’t have a Dem controlled Senate. Yes we do. That is why Charles Schumer (D) is the (current) majority leader. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-has-overturned-roe-v-wade-no-longer-a-draft-as-of-06-24-2022/963862.md?page=58)